Hi
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Sudha Ponnaganti < sudha.ponnaga...@citrix.com> wrote: > Thanks for clarification Mohammad Nour! I do not necessarily disagree > with what you are suggesting but from what we have seen in 4.0 and 4.0.1, > it did not work much for testing activity /QA. May have worked if project > is smaller. But Cloudstack is not smaller anymore and as mentioned earlier > the discussions have grown in other development areas but not seeing same > growth in qa aspect. So trying to find ways to provide a focused attention > and of course it will not be isolated group as it is open just like user or > dev lists. > > It looks like this approach worked for some bigger open source projects - > https://quality.mozilla.org/ ( there are multiple mailing lists even > within QA) > This is really interesting, although the example does not apply here as it looks like a specialized QA community thing AFAIU > > However for starters, we can discuss with QA prefix and see how it goes. > +1 I would go that way and if it proves that the traffic is really high to the point that it spams the -dev list itself then at that time we have a real reason to go with to INFRA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mohammad Nour El-Din [mailto:nour.moham...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:40 PM > To: CloudStack Users > Cc: cloudstack-...@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call > > Hi Sudha... > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Sudha Ponnaganti < > sudha.ponnaga...@citrix.com> wrote: > > > One of the concerns is that QA may not feel comfortable to discuss all > > the QA topics in Dev mailing list. > > Would like to attract QA community to contribute more than just > > testing - development of tools and adoption of automation. > > > > As is QA is not participating frequently and current dedicated effort > > is to accelerate that. I am not sure if that would be successful or > > not but I sense that QA is not feeling comfortable to discuss QA > > topics in Dev mailing lists. Several times QA folks are being nudged > > to post on dev mailing lists from few folks participated in 4.0 QA > > effort. That is why I thought this approach might help. > > > > Intention is not to isolate this mailing list but to keep focus and > > encourage participation. > > > > I understand your concern, but allow me to disagree with you about one > main point, IMO this is encouraging more to like divide the ACS community, > using different mailing lists is not to categorize people or to use it as > as if we have departments in team, we use different mailing lists mainly > for better scope and some times for privacy when it matters about some > aspects that should not be discussed in public and in this case I don't see > any of these, I know you don't mean that at all I am just explaining what > would that lead at the end > > Actually I would not call the QA ppl, I will call them contributors, or > persons interested to contribute to ACS development related tasks which are > of more QA nature > > Actually I would better encourage them to go one the -dev list and start > spamming it with QA e-mails :D > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mohammad Nour El-Din [mailto:nour.moham...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:17 PM > > To: cloudstack-...@incubator.apache.org; CloudStack Users > > Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call > > > > Hi > > > > Allow me to dis-agree with you about one minor point that > > differentiates frequest/planned/scheduled QA tasks or activities than > > than what users find while using ACS, I think what is proposed is > > related to the former point > > > > The idea itself is appealing but the amount of interaction really > > needs separate mailing list ? Can we just send e-mail tagged with [QA] > > for example which then helps filter out QA related e-mails ? > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Prasanna Santhanam < > > prasanna.santha...@citrix.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:38:57AM +0530, Prasanna Santhanam wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:32:02AM +0530, Sudha Ponnaganti wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > Reaching out to community to see if we can have a dedicated QA > > > > > mailing list mainly to have a focused attention around QA > > > > > Activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - To discuss automation acceleration. We already have > > > > > sizable scripts and need to get those running in to apache env > > > > > > > > > > - Discuss QA strategy and have community participate > little > > > > > bit more - Dev community is very active but QA is not at the > > > > > same level. There are too many discussions in dev mailing list > already. > > > > > Afraid that QA may not get enough attention > > > > > > > > > > - Discuss project QA activities and track progress and > > > > > present relevant info to community. Intention is not to take > > > > > away visibility but to have a focused vision on QA. > > > > > > > > > > - Discuss other QA initiatives and have owners drive these > > > > > initiatives - mainly around automation frameworks, tools > > > > > implementation for QA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do express your opinion on this. > > > > > > > > > > Also I am going to setup a call to discuss ASF CS 4.1 release QA > > > > > activities starting next week as we are getting close to the > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use the -users list? It's not high-traffic and QA are > > > > users testing/using the product? It will encourage our users to > > > > test alongside releases and participate in the testing process. > > > > Some of our users I'm sure can contribute automated tests. > > > > > > > Including the users (+cross-posting) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Prasanna., > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks > > - Mohammad Nour > > ---- > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep > moving" > > - Albert Einstein > > > > > > -- > Thanks > - Mohammad Nour > ---- > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" > - Albert Einstein > -- Thanks - Mohammad Nour ---- "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" - Albert Einstein
