With IPTables, you can easily block traffic in a single direction, or both
directions.  

One would think that Shaw and Telus would have their residential accounts
routed through a particular router (or set of routers) or on  separate IP
Subnets. They'd easily be able to block new http requests to the
device/subnet, but allow requests from that subnet to go out, and
established traffic to come back in.

However, this would probably lead to a management overhead they probably
don't want to undertake...

My thoughts.

Shawn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Copeland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (clug-talk) isp blocking ports


when i phoned shaw last night the tech guy mentioned he was running a server
from his residential account, he also mentioned that if port 80 were blocked
they would be receiving alot of cals with people not being able to browse
the internet, now is this true?  if port 80 were blocked would that affect
incoming AND outgoing or can u set it explicitly?

jon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curtis Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: (clug-talk) isp blocking ports


I had a bit of a time finding the usage policy, so I thought I'd provide a
link and some documentation relevant to the discussion:

https://secure.shaw.ca/policy/Use-Policy.asp

"8.  Users must ensure that their activity does not improperly restrict,
inhibit or degrade any other customer's use of the Services, nor represent
(in the sole judgement of Shaw) an unusually large burden on the network
itself, such as, but not limited to, peer to peer file sharing programs,
serving streaming video or audio, mail, http, ftp, irc, dhcp servers, and
multi-user interactive forums. The guidelines for Bandwidth Usage/month for
each business service package are the following: SOHO - 50 GigaByte;
Professional - 70 GigaByte; Business - 100 GigaByte (combined download and
upload). The guidelines for acceptable web site traffic include 300
MegaByte/month for Professional and 500 MegaByte/month for Business hosting
packages. Residential services do not have specific guidelines of this
nature as the Service is not intended for business applications. Shaw
reserves the right to set specific limits for Bandwidth Usage and charge for
excessive Bandwidth Usage for residential Services at any time. In addition,
users must ensure that their activity does not improperly restrict, disrupt,
inhibit, degrade or impede Shaw's ability to deliver the Services and
monitor the Services, backbone, network nodes, and/or other network
services."

and...

"The residential Shaw Services are designed for personal Internet use. You
may not use the residential Shaw Services for commercial purposes. You may
not run a server in connection with the Shaw Services nor may you provide
network services to others via the Shaw Services. Examples of prohibited
servers and services include, but are not limited to, mail, http, ftp, irc,
dhcp servers, and multi-user interactive forums. Some Business services may
be exempt from these limitations."

HTH,
Curtis

-----Original Message-----
From: todd almond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 14, 2003 12:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (clug-talk) isp blocking ports


The occasional game server probably wouldn't even be detected, but as
far as pop/imap goes the Acceptable Use Policy cops are sticklers for
the letter of the law.

Curtis Sloan wrote:

>My definition of "service" is defined as busy, anonymous public or
organized
>access (not necessarily "business" or "corporate").  For example, I
wouldn't
>feel bad about running a game server on weekends, but running a DS 24/7
>would break the spirit of the law.  Same would go for an e-mail server (for
>example) -- I would feel okay forwarding my own DNS domain account and
>running POP3/IMAP, but hosting a bunch of busy mailboxes would break the
>spirit of the thing.
>
>Is this how Shaw sees things too?
>
>Curtis
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: todd almond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: October 14, 2003 10:39 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: (clug-talk) isp blocking ports
>
>
>If it is suspected that someone with a residential or SOHO account (no
>servers allowed) is running a service then a port scan will be done.
>Usually high bandwidth usage is a clue.
>
>Curtis Sloan wrote:
>
>
>
>>Do they also do the odd port scan, or only if there is suspicious
bandwidth
>>usage?
>>
>>Curtis
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: todd almond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: October 13, 2003 10:56 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: (clug-talk) isp blocking ports
>>
>>
>>Nope, no port blocking. Except for a brief period when the blaster worm
>>was out, port 135 was shut-off.
>>(I'm a TSR there...)
>>
>>Jon Copeland wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>does anyone know if shaw blocks, among other things, port 80?
>>>and if they are is there a way around this?  im looking at hosting a LOW
>>>TRAFFIC picture gallery for my family around the world and i'd like to
>>>accomplish this using my existing infrastructure and not incur any
>>>additional costs.
>>>
>>>jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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