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On April 17, 2004 08:15, Nick W wrote:
> I got Gentoo back up and running.

hooray! =)

> packages with no problems. They are addressing the signing issues, which is
> an issue with RPMs and DEBs anyways, because they dont have everything on
> the CDs. If you want firefox, for example, you need the unsigned RPM off
> the net.

many projects do provide GPG signed packages, however. take a look at the KDE 
ftp repository, as just one example. saying that because some other project 
is similarly broken makes it all OK is not exactly logical. we hold others 
(e.g. Microsoft) to a higher standard than this, don't we?

moreover, 3rd party software you download and install is a VERY different 
proposition than the kernel, compiler, etc... that you install as part of 
your OS. what most galling is that this is not difficult to do, and that this 
provides a level security that can not be achieved elsewise. it's already 
bitten Gentoo once, so it isn't theoretical. and if they weren't fixing it, 
it would bite them again.

honestly, i understand how and why you love Gentoo. i've had some good 
experiences with it myself and i work with a guy who is a Gentoo fa. but 
sluffing aside problems like this, especially ones as severe as this, is not 
great practice IMHO.

not only should we desire and demand better and safer technologies for 
ourselves but if we make excuses for our own sloppiness, that opens the way 
for those who would disparage Free Software a to have a veritable field day 
with us.

> Plus MDK10 still won't make my sound work out of the box, so I end 
> up kernel-compiling anyways.

which you can do using their GPG signed sources. or the official GPG kernel 
sources, for that matter. ;-)

> Then theres the issue of binary-bloat, 
> 1500 drivers on my machine that I don't need. Blah.

which is orthogonal to the issue of safety and security. =)

- -- 
Aaron J. Seigo
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