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On April 20, 2004 05:43, s. keeling wrote:
> You have apparently not seen all the posts from people who installed
> only to find gnome when they wanted kde (or vice versa) and wanted to
> find out how to get the other one.  Let me tell ya, it ain't easy if
> you're relying on [xkg]dm and the generally shipped defaults.  All the
> [xkg]dm's do things a little differently, don't bother to recognize
> how the others do it, and consequently end up tripping over each other
> or clobbering each other. 

sounds like you've borne the brunt of extremely bad packaging. or you tried 
building things from source you weren't equipped to. which OS have you run 
into these problems? honestly, for MOST people having a display manager is 
far easier for them and doesn't present anything resembing a problem.

> Add in KDE and Nautilus and you have a mess.
> My advice: rip it out.  Choose a window manager you can control.

lol ... by window manager, i assume you mean "desktop", and by "desktop" i 
assume you want something light and featureless: for which fluxbox and its 
cousins are great for!

as for the term "you can control" that is highly subjective.

> Leave the libs on board in case you want to run one of their apps, but
> avoid like the plague their desktops, icons, helpers, toolbars,
> dockapps, & etc.

ah ... i understand the desire for an iconless desktop (heck.. i run KDE and 
have desktop icons turned off... evil things that they are) and a clean 
environment. i was a blackbox guy myself back in the day, and still tend 
towards a simplistic desktop set up.

i don't agree with your summary dismisal of the utility of desktop panels, 
etc... however. the beauty of Free Software is choice, allowing each to 
choose what works best for them. the danger of choice is the myopic nature of 
humans to feel that their choice is obviously superior in general because it 
is personally superior, or that the experiences that led to their choice are 
the common experiences =)

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Aaron J. Seigo
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