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On May 19, 2004 11:51, Shawn wrote:
> So, I guess it comes down to this:  Everyone needs to strive for better and
> more secure code/applications/environments.

indeed. secure environments give the biggest bang for the buck, however, since 
the end developer gets the improvements "for free" (as in, it doesn't rely on 
them doing the right thing)

unfortunately, people continue to code things in, for instance, C which 
shouldn't be. i know people who are still using C for CGI-drivne web 
applications. and yes, they have security problems. no kidding, you say?

hopefully in a few years time writing end user desktop apps in "safer" 
languages such as Python and Ruby will be the status quo. hopefully 
developers will pay attention to the methods they employ when writing 
software more, and hopefully they will choose to leverage pre-existing 
functionality where and when possible rather than reinvent the wheel (and 
start the bug/security fixing process all over again =)

> However the bottom line will 
> come into play eventually - and the end user will foot the bill every time,
> in one way or another. 

as an end user of Apache, how have you "footed the bill" for it's relatively 
good security history? (one could replace "Apache" with numerous other bits 
of software, of course =)

- -- 
Aaron J. Seigo
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