Now that I have looked closer at the install process for Kolab, I have to ask. Does 
anyone have, or know of, a step-by-step install for RH9 or 7.3. Obviously there are 
many packages in the /src director for Kolab server that may not be needed, or does 
Kolab have some "special" requirements for specific releases of those packages? For 
instance, do I "need" to install apache 1.3.27 or can I use Apache 2 in the RH 9 
install?

I noticed some posts in the Kolab forums from people trying to run the install script 
on RH9 install and they had problems right from the begining, but no follow-up replies 
to their posts to fix the problem?  Kolab appears to be the poster-child example of 
the worst (or best) way to scare off potential deployments in a corporate environment 
and to encourage general acceptance. But I am certainly willing to give it a chance, 
depending on how long and how much effort it takes to get it running. Anyway, just a 
short rant...I will keep trying tomorow. And since it is Canada Day, and I just 
watched Fahrenheit 911, I think I will check out the festivities and be thankful I am 
not living in the United States. No "personal" offence to any members that may be 
American of course.


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From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed Jun 30 20:36:30 MDT 2004
Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Email, Groupware Server Suggestions

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On June 30, 2004 04:08, Johnny Stork wrote:
> I have looked at Kolab and had hoped to go to the recent presentation, but
> was in Vancouver, so I dont have much knowledge of this solution.  Started
> browsing the Kolab/KGroupware sites and was immediately discouraged at the
> quality? of documentation and that I had to download the source to get
> install docs and other detailed info?

there are people who are quite familiar with the process of installing and 
setting up Kolab around, including here in Calgary. Mandrake 10 comes with 
Kolab as RPMs, even. Kolab is being used by ISPs and government agencies in 
South Africa and Europe. there's even a private company using it for email 
services locally. so while i understand your initial take on it given the 
Kolab _developer_ websites, it isn't reflective of the general state of 
KOlab.

> Yes I am Linux/Unix/Technology 
> literate but I dont want to spend all weekend trying to work my way through
> a solution. As an example, trying out CommunigatePro took 5 minutes,
> download rpm, rpm -ivh CGatepro.rpm, service sendmail stop, service
> cgatepro start and go to http://server:8100 to setup accounts. Now thats
> the way I like to deploy and test things. And documentaion is available on
> site and is very extensive.

look at the licensing costs:

50 accounts, 5 mailing lists    US$499.00
200 accounts, 15 mailing lists US$999.00
etc... until
Unlimited accounts, unlimited lists     US$59,999.00

that's just for one server. cluster pricing is astronomical. the anti-virus 
and anti-spam pricing is even greater! ick. support contracts are additional, 
too boot.

their "groupware" solution (which really isn't quite. shared folders?) is  
web-only unless you shell out yet more for their MAPI plugin. most people 
want to use a "real" groupware client, such as Outlook (*groan*) or Kontact. 
so expect to pay that as well.

furthermore, while there are standards-based PLUGINS for things such as LDAP, 
CommunigatePro does not use those open standards natively. Kolab does, and it 
provides a nice web front end for it all.

Kolab, while not perfect, is well supported, actively developed, 100% Free 
Software and far, far cheaper even with per-seat support factored in. there 
is also a new major upgrade for Kolab coming in September.

if you can make it to the next CLUG meeting to check out the Kolab 
presentation, that would be great. Andy and I will be more than happy to show 
you what Kolab can and cannot do, and even help you with prospective pricing 
guidelines for installation, support, etc... should any of that be needed.

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Aaron J. Seigo
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