First let me apologize for possible thread jacking... just don't want this to 
get lost
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Behalf Of Niels Voll

   * "the executive as government". This model implies, that the 
executive is expected to "rule", and make decisions they feel are the 
correct one's. In this type of "rulership" model, the executive decides 
when to seek input, from whom to seek input, and what part of the input 
to accept and reject. 

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Being a Society that is regulated and governed by the Province of Alberta and 
being beholden to the Bylaws that were approved by a majority of the Group 
means that the 'board' is an executive model of government.  

It is thought that Executive members of the Board are elected or 'let stand' to 
be representative of the people at large.  To allow the entire group to decide 
on every decision that needs to be made to allow for the club to run would 
result in not only a chaotic situation but it would take enormous amounts of 
time to get anything done.  I have existed both professionally and in a 
volunteer capacity on a number of boards and government committees.  I feel 
that this board has attempted to poll the members at large on a fairly regular 
basis to see what could/should be done differently.  The concern of every board 
is to ensure that decisions made reflect the wishes of the silent majority not 
the verbal minority.

Prior to the rest of the group's awareness of the concern over presentations, 
the board had already had conversations regarding the lack of social time at 
the end and/or the concern about quality of presentations.  Aaron's concerns 
that were spoken to Jarrod in a private meeting were shared with the rest of 
the board and then it was decided that we wanted to bring it forward to the 
rest of the group for general discussion.  Everyone who attended the November 
meeting was able to hear what Aaron and others present had to say about the 
subjects bandied about.  However the board did not hear a general consensus in 
that room at that meeting.  It appeared rather to be a starting point for 
further discussions in other forums.

When the subject was brought up on the mailing list (which has well over 100 
subscribers) it appeared that it would be a good venue to continue the 
discussion.  However as time went on it appeared that although only a handful 
of people had submitted their comments, discussions and planning ensued on how 
to possibly make one particular plan a reality.  As has already been stated by 
my colleagues, this seemed premature.  Again we need to ensure that the silent 
majority be involved in making decisions of this nature and the Board did not 
feel that they had been heard from yet.  It appeared that we had not heard from 
even 10 percent of our members.

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each significant decision is referred to the 
population via a plebiscite, referendum.or whatever you want to call it. 

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I think that Neils has brought up a good point, should we take this particular 
matter to a plebiscite?  HOWEVER we must ask ourselves... What matter would we 
be bringing forward? What is the actual question being asked?

Jarrod had posted an email early on Friday stating that the Executive was in 
the background having discussions and we would be letting the group know what 
the decision was.  This first message was to let everyone know that the board 
was not ignoring the situation.  Please let no one misconstrue that a 
discussion and decision made by the board would be unilateral or dictatorial.  
Our discussions for that day ranged from whether we should attempt to secure 
another room at DeVry - to how best to find out the wishes of the silent 
majority - to how to try out a bunch of different suggestions that had come 
forward in the meeting and on the list.    NOT what we were going to decided 
and you (the group) were going to HAVE to live with.  Our biggest concern was 
that things appeared to be moving forward too fast without all the players 
being invited or given time to participate.

Although I speak only for myself, I believe that YOUR Executive wants only to 
act on the wishes of the majority of the group.  My personal suggestion would 
be that some kind of brainstorming session be planned to allow for a variety of 
ideas to be put forward.  I would also suggest that we 'try on" various 
suggestions at future meetings and then by the time the Annual General Meeting 
rolls around - the voting members of the group could, perhaps, decide what they 
want for the future of their group including but not limited to their Executive 
Board.

Kari




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