On Tuesday 30 November 2004 13:27, Jarrod Major wrote: > On Tuesday 30 November 2004 11:37 am, Shawn wrote: > > It seems to me that we as a group are spending too much time talking > > about guidelines than other pertinent issues. <grins> > > Opinion: > Agreed. From my point of view, it appears that the more we try to control > things the more people we make unhappy. The 'guidelines' are a suggestion, > take 'em or leave 'em. We needed to start somewhere to give people an idea > of what they should or shouldn't do. Only in extreme cases has the > Executive gotten involved.
Such as this one? <grins>. I think you've just made my point here - trying to impose control does not equal self moderating.... (admittedly, there probably needs to be a balance in there somewhere... I don't think we have that balance yet though...) > Officially: People come and go as traffic ebbs and flows. Some people are > turned off and leave, some come back after a hiatus, some don't. > > Opinion: We can't please everyone, as hard as we try. people coming and going as their interests change is expected. To have people leave because they feel excluded, and/or don't care about the community type discussions isn't. If I were starting Linux all over, I'd be looking for a mailing list that can offer the input I need to learn how to get my systems up and running, and configured. I don't think the clug-talk list fits this role anymore - the knowledge and skill is there, but someone new may not think these questions are appropriate given the community nature of most of the messages. > Opinion: I disagree. I think clug-talk is doing what it always has, > providing CLUG with a forum for members and non-members alike. > Opinion: clug-talk has _never_ focussed on any one topic on purpose. It's a > general list! Topics come and go. Perhaps I misunderstood the purpose of the clug-talk list back when I first signed up.... > > Of course, this is all just my opinion, and really, I'm not trying to > > offend anyone. I wanted to point out an issue I've seen developing, and > > maybe get some feedback from the list members (even if it's just to tell > > me to shut up and there is no problem..<grins>). (um, respectfully, can > > I ask the executive to NOT comment on this email in an executive > > capacity, until there is a consensus on it? <grins>) > > Sorry, I felt compelled. I would love to read what other people have to say > about the subject. And no Shawn, I don't want you (or anyone else for that > matter) to shut up. Sorry Jarrod, but I think the "official" stance on this topic may skew public opinion... too late now though... I'll discuss this one with you in person though (over beer) to avoid any mis-interpretation via email. :D (not to mention my thoughts on this haven't fully gelled yet...) > > May I humbly propose a new mailing list called clug-community. Then all > > emails such as this one could be (politely) referred to that list, and > > keep clug-talk the technical resource that most of us signed up for. I > > think that initially most of our traffic would end up on the community > > list, but in a short while, the technical talk will far exceed the > > community talk (again), if we can keep the two mostly separate. > > Opinion: "asking is polite demanding" :D Seriously, if there is enough > support for starting new lists I will do everything in my power to see that > it happens. I have always thought the word "propose" was roughly equivalent to "suggest" - not "demand". I'm but one voice in the group, and I don't expect people to agree with me all the time (well, not usually LOL). Hence a proposal for discussion. In the end, I feel that we are starting to stray from our roots and becoming more of a bureaucratic organization, and less of a knowledge resource. This has much less appeal to me than the loose, free form technical discussions, meetings, and presentations. (don't take that as a slight in any way - I think the executive is doing a great job in organizing things and trying to listen to the members.) Shawn _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
