I already knew the response and not to start a disto war, but unless we are willing to forgo what we like as a distro and adopt something just to have a common starting point in a workshop, we won't have an effective workshop. Redo everything after you get home in your favourite distro -- re-install everything with your own favourite settings once you have complete the task in the workshop.
I certainly understand that certain things work or is better supported with certain distros, like Scalix. Let's look at the problem from the point of view of someone coming in to learn to setup an email box. As the person coming in, I just want it to work at the end of the day, but it is difficult to follow along when the person leading the class and the notes don't match what I have in front of me. I am just looking at what would be beneficial to the person coming on the course. If someone is offering a workshop on Scalix and it happens to be on RH but I'm on Ubuntu, I think I should be the one that should be flexible and install RH on my test box. Converted at my leisure to Ubuntu -- but if it works and I'm busy, I likely won't change things. As we get more experienced, it really does not matter what distro you are using, but when you are starting out, it is frustration that you can live without. Just my thought as it would depend very much on who is leading the workshop as someone who likes Gentoo will likely be able to handle any distro that people bring. But now how repetitive is the workshop content -- very few people will be able to pickup and deliver the content. I don't disagree, just I don't see it working as well without standards. Then again, who sets the standards -- certainly the subject matter expert who is leading the workshop has big say. It is one standard or a handful. I don't know, but no one has the time, knowledge or willingness to step forward to do a workshop. I am just looking at some parameters that might be adjusted to start the ball rolling again and keep it rolling. Kevin Anderson wrote: > Standard distro is hard to define. That would be my only comment. > > IS RH a standard? I think we'd all say yes, but that that include > Fedora and/or CentOS? > Standard or not, will anyone support Novell? :) > Is Debian the standard or is *buntu? That's becoming a difficult > question. > > And the real kicker, is even if we say RH is the standard, does that > mean with Gnome? That's the default. Is vi the standard, or vim, or > nano, or emacs, or Microsoft word? If I do Scalix, do I do it with > postfix or sendmail? Sendmail is the standard for Scalix, but not for > almost any distro anymore. (Both work fine). > > "Standard Distro" is just going to be VERY difficult to define. > > Kev. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kin C Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:01 AM > To: CLUG General > Subject: [clug-talk] Workshop plans > > I had a chat with Dave on Monday as I reminisce over the workshops that > we had in the good old days (only about a year ago) -- I would like to > resurrect that but am incapable of doing it alone as many of you might > also feel. I think it might be worthwhile as a team project - to be > able to learn in a small team and to deliver in a bigger environment. > > In my mind the following components will be required: > > time > knowledge and the willingness to share that knowledge ability to > transfer knowledge an interesting topic > > I know many of you have many aspects required but very few have them all > -- however as a group, I am sure that we could pull something like this > off. > > Purpose of the whole exercise, build a legacy -- something that could be > run by someone who is willing without all the skills that is willing to > share and move Clug forward. > > Stage 1 -- anyone else thinks this might be a good idea and have a bit > of time and effort to donate > > Stage 2 -- identification of a topic that might be of interest to a > group > > Stage 3 -- get together to design a mini-workshop > > Stage 4 -- document and delivery of that knowledge to a small group > > Stage 5 -- file away so that someone can repeat the exercise in a years > time for the next wave of Linux adopters > > I know this will be a sore point with some -- I insist on the use of a > standard distro. I know we all have our favourites but too have a high > level of success and good participation, I think this is something that > we need to adopt in the beginning. The time for experimentation is > after we got it working and we get more experts involved. The past of > workshop would also be that much quicker. > > Just my 2 pesos. > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
