Really good point regarding VMs, this is something that was not 
available a year ago (as readily).  This actually can lead to two types 
of workshops, one which is more of an overview and follow along at a 
faster clip and a hands-on type of workshop where you could bring in 
your gear.  In the first scenario, you wouldn't necessarily even need a 
Linux box (not recommended, you get a lots of friendly ribbing) and in 
the second scenario - one or more distro is possible.

With regards to more advance topics, the first scenario is likely all 
that is required.

Gustin Johnson wrote:
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> My take on this is that we are talking about a pre-defined default for a
> presentation.  So, something like "Apache Performance Tuning with Debian
>  stable".  Other distros are welcome but the examples, documentation and
> "expertise" will be Debian centric.
>
> I also expect this to be driven by the lead team for this particular
> workshop, especially if there is prepared material (prebuilt VMs,
> handouts, etc.).
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> Kevin Anderson wrote:
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>> Standard distro is hard to define.  That would be my only comment.
>>
>> IS RH a standard?  I think we'd all say yes, but that that include 
>> Fedora and/or CentOS?
>> Standard or not, will anyone support Novell?  :)
>> Is Debian the standard or is *buntu?  That's becoming a difficult 
>> question.
>>
>> And the real kicker, is even if we say RH is the standard, does that 
>> mean with Gnome?  That's the default.  Is vi the standard, or vim, or 
>> nano, or emacs, or Microsoft word?  If I do Scalix, do I do it with 
>> postfix or sendmail?  Sendmail is the standard for Scalix, but not for 
>> almost any distro anymore.  (Both work fine).
>>
>> "Standard Distro" is just going to be VERY difficult to define.
>>
>> Kev. 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kin C Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:01 AM
>> To: CLUG General
>> Subject: [clug-talk] Workshop plans
>>
>> I had a chat with Dave on Monday as I reminisce over the workshops that 
>> we had in the good old days (only about a year ago) -- I would like to 
>> resurrect that but am incapable of doing it alone as many of you might 
>> also feel.  I think it might be worthwhile as a team project - to be 
>> able to learn in a small team and to deliver in a bigger environment.
>>
>> In my mind the following components will be required:
>>
>> time
>> knowledge and the willingness to share that knowledge ability to 
>> transfer knowledge an interesting topic
>>
>> I know many of you have many aspects required but very few have them all
>> -- however as a group, I am sure that we could pull something like this 
>> off.
>>
>> Purpose of the whole exercise, build a legacy -- something that could be 
>> run by someone who is willing without all the skills that is willing to 
>> share and move Clug forward.
>>
>> Stage 1 -- anyone else thinks this might be a good idea and have a bit 
>> of time and effort to donate
>>
>> Stage 2 -- identification of a topic that might be of interest to a 
>> group
>>
>> Stage 3 -- get together to design a mini-workshop
>>
>> Stage 4 -- document and delivery of that knowledge to a small group
>>
>> Stage 5 -- file away so that someone can repeat the exercise in a years 
>> time for the next wave of Linux adopters
>>
>> I know this will be a sore point with some -- I insist on the use of a 
>> standard distro.  I know we all have our favourites but too have a high 
>> level of success and good participation, I think this is something that 
>> we need to adopt in the beginning.  The time for experimentation is 
>> after we got it working and we get more experts involved.  The past of 
>> workshop would also be that much quicker.
>>
>> Just my 2 pesos.
>>
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