Very true. All our servers at Hosting Puppy run another copy of Exim on port 26 because there is a HUGE demand for it. We're far and away not the only ones.
Jon --- Sent from the road... -----Original Message----- From: "Dave Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? To: "'CLUG General'" <[email protected]>Reply-To: CLUG General <[email protected]> FYI, Some hosts are/have opened up port 26 as a matter of course. Dave From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evan Cortens Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:44 PM To: CLUG General Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? I'm with you on this one Shawn... even if there intentions are honourable, it's not really a practical solution for many people... I'm on Shaw as well... port 25 is still working for me... Just a quick question though, have people tried ports 465 and 587? Many SMTP servers operate on those ports as well... When I was on RCN (a cable company in Boston that blocked outgoing port 25), I found those two ports often worked... It's enough to stop the bots, but still allows people to use their own external SMTP servers... I just tried those three ports on 2 different external SMTP servers; 25 and 587 for both, 465 didn't work for either one... Evan On 6/14/07, sgrover wrote: Soooo... Connecting your home email client to your business email server is now out of the question? (for sending). One day, Shaw will actually THINK about what they are doing and realize it just ain't gonna work.. :) I have a SOHO connection, so the moment they pull this for my line is the moment I move my business elsewhere. But even then, I still need to relay my outbound mail through Shaw's mail servers - otherwise my server is erroneously tagged as a "spamming server" by some of the RBLs (who are blocking Shaw's IPs with a class C subnet, even though my IP uses an abnormal subnet (.246 I think...) And the only reason they can be doing this is a) To help prevent outgoing spam. (admirable intent, but...) b) control of email services. Other big ISPs are no longer guaranteeing mail delivery unless the user signs up for a "premium" service. I suspect Shaw is gearing up to do something similar. My thoughts. Shawn Kin Wong wrote: Just got a polite email this morning from Shaw indicating that we need to change our modems and that there has been a network policy change ( i.e. if you are using port 25 for outgoing mail and it is not through Shaw's server, then you are sol). Somebody must be thinking it is only one port, what's the big deal. I think the date on the memo for for the 15 of next month, not that anyone has notice them playing with port 25 recently. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Anderson" > To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:07:26 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > Outbound works too, if you set up SHAW as a smarthost. > Kev. > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Wiltshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > I think it's only outbound. When I moved last month I was unable to send mail until my static IP was set up. > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:55, Jesse Kline wrote: > Seeing as I got both these e-mails, they havn't cut port 25 yet. > > Jesse > >> I know for sure they are working on cutting port 25 for residential >> customers. >> It doesn't affect SOHO users though. >> >> On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:50, Robert Campbell wrote: >>> I have had to re-subscribe to this list using my gmail account so >>> that I could ask this question..... Has shaw shut down access to >>> internal ports (or is it just me?). >>> >>> I haven't rebooted my firewall (yet), but email is bouncing and I >>> can't ssh into my server from an external host. >>> >>> So, is it just me, or is everybody experiencing this process? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> clug-talk mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >>> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php ) >>> **Please remove these lines when replying >> _______________________________________________ >> clug-talk mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) >> **Please remove these lines when replying > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php ) **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php ) **Please remove these lines when replying > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php ) **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C7AEB6.DB0160D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI, Some hosts are/have opened up port 26 as a matter of = course. Dave From:= [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On = Behalf Of Evan Cortens Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:44 PM To: CLUG General Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external = ports? I'm with you on this = one Shawn... even if there intentions are honourable, it's not really a = practical solution for many people... I'm on Shaw as well... port 25 is still working for me... Just a quick question though, have people tried ports 465 and 587? Many = SMTP servers operate on those ports as well... When I was on RCN (a cable = company in Boston that blocked outgoing port 25), I found those two ports often = worked... It's enough to stop the bots, but still allows people to use their own = external SMTP servers... I just tried those three ports on 2 different external SMTP servers; 25 = and 587 for both, 465 didn't work for either one... Evan On 6/14/07, sgrover = <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = wrote: Soooo... Connecting your home email client to your business email server is = now out of the question? (for sending). One day, Shaw will actually THINK about what they are doing and = realize it just ain't gonna work.. :) I have a SOHO connection, so the moment they pull this for my line = is the moment I move my business elsewhere. But even then, I = still need to relay my outbound mail through Shaw's mail servers - otherwise my server = is erroneously tagged as a 'spamming server' by some of the = RBLs (who are blocking Shaw's IPs with a class C subnet, even though my IP uses = an abnormal subnet (.246 I think...) And the only reason they can be doing this is a) To help prevent outgoing spam. (admirable intent, = but...) b) control of email services. Other big ISPs are no longer guaranteeing mail delivery unless the user signs up for a = 'premium' service. I suspect Shaw is gearing up to do something similar. My thoughts. Shawn Kin Wong wrote: > Just got a polite email this morning from Shaw indicating that we = need to change our modems and that there has been a network policy change ( i.e. = if you are using port 25 for outgoing mail and it is not through Shaw's server, = then you are sol). Somebody must be thinking it is only one port, = what's the big deal. I think the date on the memo for for the 15 of = next month, not that anyone has notice them playing with port 25 recently. = > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Kevin Anderson' <[EMAIL PROTECTED] line.com> > To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:07:26 AM (GMT-0700) = America/Denver > Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > > Outbound works too, if you set up SHAW as a smarthost. > > Kev. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Wiltshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > > I think it's only outbound. When I moved last month I was unable to = send > mail until my static IP was set up. > > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:55, Jesse Kline wrote: >> Seeing as I got both these e-mails, they havn't cut port 25 = yet. >> >> Jesse >> >>> I know for sure they are working on cutting port 25 for residential >>> customers. >>> It doesn't affect SOHO users though. >>> >>> On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:50, Robert Campbell wrote: >>>> I have had to re-subscribe to this list using my gmail = account so >>>> that I could ask this question..... Has shaw shut down = access to >>>> internal ports (or is it just me?). >>>> >>>> I haven't rebooted my firewall (yet), but email is = bouncing and I >>>> can't ssh into my server from an external host. >>>> >>>> So, is it just me, or is everybody experiencing this = process? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> clug-talk mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://clug.ca= /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >>>> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p ) >>>> **Please remove these lines when replying >>> _______________________________________________ >>> clug-talk mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://clug.ca= /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >>> Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) >>> **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca= /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p ) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca= /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p ) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca= /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p ) > **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca= /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p) **Please remove these lines when replying ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C7AEB6.DB0160D0-- Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports?"Dave Watkins" To: "'CLUG General'" Reply-To: CLUG General _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
