-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My main mail server is configured so that 587 behaves identically to port 25, right down to the TLS and AUTH support. We use Exim as our MTA as well.
The irony is that Shaw's mail servers are experiencing issues tonight, so anyone smarthosting through them is up the creek. Reminds why I run my own servers (back in the bad old @Home days, mail service became a nightmare). Jon wrote: > Very true. > > All our servers at Hosting Puppy run another copy of Exim on port 26 > because there is a HUGE demand for it. We're far and away not the > only ones. > > Jon > > --- Sent from the road... -----Original Message----- From: "Dave > Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, Jun 14, 2007 > 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > To: "'CLUG General'" <[email protected]>Reply-To: CLUG General > <[email protected]> > > FYI, > > Some hosts are/have opened up port 26 as a matter of course. > > Dave > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Evan Cortens Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:44 PM To: CLUG > General Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > > I'm with you on this one Shawn... even if there intentions are > honourable, it's not really a practical solution for many people... > I'm on Shaw as well... port 25 is still working for me... Just a > quick question though, have people tried ports 465 and 587? Many SMTP > servers operate on those ports as well... When I was on RCN (a cable > company in Boston that blocked outgoing port 25), I found those two > ports often worked... It's enough to stop the bots, but still allows > people to use their own external SMTP servers... I just tried those > three ports on 2 different external SMTP servers; 25 and 587 for > both, 465 didn't work for either one... Evan On 6/14/07, sgrover > wrote: Soooo... Connecting your home email client to your business > email server is now out of the question? (for sending). One day, > Shaw will actually THINK about what they are doing and realize it > just ain't gonna work.. :) I have a SOHO connection, so the moment > they pull this for my line is the moment I move my business > elsewhere. But even then, I still need to relay my outbound mail > through Shaw's mail servers - otherwise my server is erroneously > tagged as a "spamming server" by some of the RBLs (who are blocking > Shaw's IPs with a class C subnet, even though my IP uses an abnormal > subnet (.246 I think...) And the only reason they can be doing this > is a) To help prevent outgoing spam. (admirable intent, but...) b) > control of email services. Other big ISPs are no longer guaranteeing > mail delivery unless the user signs up for a "premium" service. I > suspect Shaw is gearing up to do something similar. My thoughts. > Shawn Kin Wong wrote: Just got a polite email this morning from Shaw > indicating that we need to change our modems and that there has been > a network policy change ( i.e. if you are using port 25 for outgoing > mail and it is not through Shaw's server, then you are sol). > Somebody must be thinking it is only one port, what's the big deal. > I think the date on the memo for for the 15 of next month, not that > anyone has notice them playing with port 25 recently. ----- Original > Message ----- From: "Kevin Anderson" > To: [email protected], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:07:26 AM > (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down > external ports? >> Outbound works too, if you set up SHAW as a smarthost. Kev. >> > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Wiltshire > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:08 PM > To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down > external ports? >> I think it's only outbound. When I moved last month I was unable to >> send > mail until my static IP was set up. >> On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:55, Jesse Kline wrote: Seeing as I got >> both these e-mails, they havn't cut port 25 yet. >> >> Jesse >> >>> I know for sure they are working on cutting port 25 for >>> residential customers. It doesn't affect SOHO users though. >>> >>> On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:50, Robert Campbell wrote: >>>> I have had to re-subscribe to this list using my gmail account >>>> so that I could ask this question..... Has shaw shut down >>>> access to internal ports (or is it just me?). >>>> >>>> I haven't rebooted my firewall (yet), but email is bouncing and >>>> I can't ssh into my server from an external host. >>>> >>>> So, is it just me, or is everybody experiencing this process? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ clug-talk >>>> mailing list [email protected] >>>> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List >>>> Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php > ) >>>> **Please remove these lines when replying >>> _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing >>> list [email protected] >>> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List >>> Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove >>> these lines when replying >> _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List > Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php ) **Please remove these > lines when replying >> _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List > Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php ) **Please remove these > lines when replying _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List > Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php ) **Please remove these > lines when replying _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List > Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these > lines when replying > > ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C7AEB6.DB0160D0 Content-Type: text/html; > charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > FYI, > > Some hosts are/have opened up port 26 as a matter of = course. > > Dave > > > From:= [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On = Behalf Of Evan Cortens Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:44 PM To: > CLUG General Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external = > ports? > > I'm with you on this = one Shawn... even if there intentions are > honourable, it's not really a = practical solution for many people... > > > I'm on Shaw as well... port 25 is still working for me... > > Just a quick question though, have people tried ports 465 and 587? > Many = SMTP servers operate on those ports as well... When I was on > RCN (a cable = company in Boston that blocked outgoing port 25), I > found those two ports often = worked... It's enough to stop the bots, > but still allows people to use their own = external SMTP servers... > > I just tried those three ports on 2 different external SMTP servers; > 25 = and 587 for both, 465 didn't work for either one... > > Evan > > On 6/14/07, sgrover = <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = wrote: Soooo... > > Connecting your home email client to your business email server is = > now out of the question? (for sending). > > One day, Shaw will actually THINK about what they are doing and = > realize it just ain't gonna work.. :) > > I have a SOHO connection, so the moment they pull this for my line = > is the moment I move my business elsewhere. But even then, I = still > need to relay my outbound mail through Shaw's mail servers - > otherwise my server = > > is erroneously tagged as a 'spamming server' by some of the = RBLs > (who are blocking Shaw's IPs with a class C subnet, even though my IP > uses = an abnormal subnet (.246 I think...) > > And the only reason they can be doing this is a) To help prevent > outgoing spam. (admirable intent, = but...) b) control of email > services. Other big ISPs are no longer guaranteeing mail delivery > unless the user signs up for a = 'premium' service. I suspect Shaw > is gearing up to do something similar. > > My thoughts. > > Shawn > > > Kin Wong wrote: >> Just got a polite email this morning from Shaw indicating that we = >> need to > change our modems and that there has been a network policy change ( > i.e. = if you are using port 25 for outgoing mail and it is not > through Shaw's server, = then you are sol). Somebody must be > thinking it is only one port, = what's the big deal. I think the > date on the memo for for the 15 of = next month, not that anyone has > notice them playing with port 25 recently. = > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kevin Anderson' >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] line.com> To: [email protected], >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:07:26 AM >> (GMT-0700) = America/Denver Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut >> down external ports? >> >> Outbound works too, if you set up SHAW as a smarthost. >> >> Kev. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Wiltshire >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:08 PM To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? >> >> I think it's only outbound. When I moved last month I was unable to >> = send mail until my static IP was set up. >> >> On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:55, Jesse Kline wrote: >>> Seeing as I got both these e-mails, they havn't cut port 25 = >>> yet. >>> >>> Jesse >>> >>>> I know for sure they are working on cutting port 25 for >>>> residential customers. It doesn't affect SOHO users though. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:50, Robert Campbell wrote: >>>>> I have had to re-subscribe to this list using my gmail = >>>>> account > so >>>>> that I could ask this question..... Has shaw shut down = >>>>> access > to >>>>> internal ports (or is it just me?). >>>>> >>>>> I haven't rebooted my firewall (yet), but email is = bouncing >>>>> > and I >>>>> can't ssh into my server from an external host. >>>>> >>>>> So, is it just me, or is everybody experiencing this = >>>>> process? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ clug-talk >>>>> mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca= > /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >>>>> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p ) >>>>> **Please remove these lines when replying >>>> _______________________________________________ clug-talk >>>> mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca= > /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >>>> Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) >>>> **Please remove these lines when replying >> _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing >> list [email protected] http://clug.ca= > /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p > ) >> **Please remove these lines when replying >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing >> list [email protected] http://clug.ca= > /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p > ) >> **Please remove these lines when replying >> >> >> _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing >> list [email protected] http://clug.ca= > /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p > ) >> **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing > list [email protected] http://clug.ca= > /mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines > (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.ph= p) **Please remove these lines when > replying ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C7AEB6.DB0160D0-- Re: > [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports?"Dave Watkins" To: > "'CLUG General'" Reply-To: CLUG General > > > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing > list [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List > Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these > lines when replying -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGcjbvwRXgH3rKGfMRArvrAJ9L3smEbnq9sC6SqpMmtUi8jBdp0ACfaY0b 5ehNKZYegd5LOqMO6YndvCQ= =hIk6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
