I don't. I will never come in on a weekend to do the work that couldn't be done during the week, especially if the reason for it not getting done during the week is that I got pulled to do work that is not part of my normal job responsibilities. When I cover for someone who called in, they don't come back and help me get my work done that I missed because of them. I will stay overtime, sometimes, but not alot, I have 2 small children and no job is worth losing the precious time with them for. I will submit an assessment late, or write a care plan late rather than miss something important to my kids.
Tammy Gola BSN, RN, CRNAC Wilkes-Barre General Hospital Transitional Care Unit 575 North River Street Wilkes-Barre, PA. 187641-0001 570-552-5417 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Chance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: simple question I'm not saying you have to be a martyr but sometimes you have to work extra. In my building, I am part of nursing administration and I do work the floor some to help out. If the resident's needs are not met, then what we are putting on a piece of paper is not worth a flip. And actually, for me, it is refreshing to get out there and be with the residents in a care giver aspect. I truly love hands on nursing and enjoy this part of it. It also helps in the assessment process. I am not saying I do this everyday, but I do probably 1-2 days per month. Also, I have occasionally worked a Sunday. It is not a every weekend experience. I have decided a long time ago when I nearly worked myself to death that a job would not be my life. But, I do want my MDS and care planning to be done timely, so sometimes it calls for going above and beyond. I went into this profession to take care of people. Sometimes, it is called biting the bullet. I too became a nurse during the nursing shortage and have worked many long hard hours. I just believe that nursing is a calling not just a job and I will do what I can to ensure my residents are taken care of. I am not saying you need to be a scapegoat. The original question was, "Do any of you have to work Sundays to get the job done?" I only stated yes, it comes with the territory. I am sure at least 75% of nursing administration occasionally has to work a Sunday to get the job done. Brenda W. Chance, RN, RAC-C MDS Coordinator CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: Corey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: simple question Wow, please forgive me Brenda, but this is one that you and I will forever disagree on! I have worked many a place where I was "expected" to do whatever was needed to get assessments done on time, despite being on call for a week at a time at the same facility, and not getting overtime for working the floor because I was "administrative staff". I have worked 24 hours in 24 ( one as MDS, and the next two as the floor nurse to cover the "call-ins") and then told I was expected to work that next day because the Medicare meeting still had to be done and we were having 2 admissions that day, and I was the MDS nurse. So I did it. Guess what? It became expected, and the next time I refused to work the floor for the next 16 hours after getting up from the 7 hours I had just worked as the MDS co-ordinator, I was fired. After all, the home just wasn't making that much money, y'know? But they still had the owner's personal Persian rugs from home brought into the facility every 3 months to be cleaned and billed to the facility. When I first became a nurse, in 1971, I was required to kneel in my dress to the DON for my first week to prove my skirt touched the floor. We were not allowed to wear pants, and lipstick was an offense for which you could be expected. I was expected to kneel in the hallway when the priest passed, or to go into a patient room and stand behind a door until he passed (that was because I was Jewish.) I was expected to stand when the doctor came to the nursing station, so he could have the seat I was using to chart in. Nowadays, most of the younger nurses stand there with their mouths open in shock to hear it. Why? Because, judged by TODAYs standards, it is clearly unreasonable. At some point, we become responsible to make our own decisions and standards. Things change over time, as did the concept of slavery. I may need to work a weekend, AT MY CHOICE, but because I am not a slave, I flatly refuse to allow anyone to tell me my time, unpaid, is expected. I will stay if no nurse shows up to care for the patients, because there's that neat patient abandonment law, but not otherwise, not any more. I live in Michigan, and this state just had to have the Board of Nursing not too long ago pass a resolution stating that no investigation would be made as to revoking a nurse's license for refusing to involuntarily stay for overtime because the facility was "short" and couldn't find another nurse. (You see, a number of hospitals were telling nurses at 2:55pm and 10:55pm that they HAD to work the next shift because they would otherwise be reported for abandoning their patients. Often, this was known to administration several days in advance, and they "couldn't afford" the pool nurse.) It DOESN'T come with the territory! It comes from unreasonable expectations from unreasonable people, and especially with gratuitously greedy people (known as owner/administrators) who believe money is often more important than the people who work for them. Corey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Chance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: RE: simple question I do many times! It goes with the territory! Brenda W. Chance, RN, RAC-C MDS Coordinator CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Sims [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: simple question Hi, I requested internet service, so that I can take advantage of looking up info re MDS, and since my DON and ADON are both very MDS savvy it was done the next day. Have a good day. How many MDS coordinators work weekends, incl Sundays to get all of there work done? bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: simple question > I guess we are really lucky here. When I was hired, the administrator asked > specifically if I would mind accessing the group and sharing things with > her, the asst admin, and DON. > > > >From: "Corey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: simple question > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:33:10 -0500 > > > >I would actually estimate that most of us do NOT have email at work. In > >many of my positions in the past, I have been either scolded, written up or > >actually fired once, for reading this list serv, or the one that preceded, > >at work. Often, as another on this list serv wrote, either the DON or the > >Administrator don't really understand all of the in's and out's of the > >process, and the actual relationship of income to careful scheduling and > >coding of the MDS. Many of them think of 5,14,30,60, etc. as the actual > >dates, and no amount of explanation helps. Most often, reading email has > >been considered "surfing" the internet during work hours. Actually showing > >the downloads, such as the manual, the email filings and addresses, > >postings by CMS, etc., are considered things that are "private interest" > >and should be done "on your own time at home". Several years ago, the DON > >had the modem removed from the submission computer so that all submissions > >needed to be done from the administrator's computer, which was fine until > >the day the MDS team needed to use her computer for the submission. The > >next day, the modem was returned, but all use of internet explorer was > >blocked, which lasted until they needed to look up something and realized > >they had shot themselves in the foot. (I suppose it's rude to giggle, > >isn't it?) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michelle Witges > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:20 PM > > Subject: Re: simple question > > > > > > I have noticed in the past day or so that several of us on the list > >serve have indicated that they do not have access to email at work. I just > >took for granted that most of us access the list while at work. Is there > >some reason or rationale that those of us who do not have access at work? > >Just curious. > > Michelle > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Corey > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:25 AM > > Subject: Re: simple question > > > > > > Cathy: > > During my 10 years in MDS, I have only had 2 jobs where we were > >allowed internet access to get email. Got fired from one job for going on > >line to look something up at the CMS site. It was considered "surfing". > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cathy Petros > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:55 AM > > Subject: RE: simple question > > > > > > Try to take some time during your work day to review the emails. I > >consider it part of my job to be informed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail, and any attachments there to, is intended for use by > >the addressee(s) named herein, and may contain legally privileged and/or > >confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > >e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > >copying of the e-mail, and any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. > >If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by > >telephone at 207-866-4914 and permanently delete the original and any copy > >of any e-mail and any printout thereof. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >Of katie fox > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:44 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: simple question > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I do have a manual and it is on my lap the whole time I am at the > >computer. We are the only facility on the island that does MDS. We are > >very small, 25-35 residents. I did not get much training, as our > >consultant was trying to catch us up from our computer going down in June, > >she was there for two weeks. I started in the middle of August. > >(surveyors came on my second day on the job) I do all the sections some > >of the time and some of the time I can get our other departments > >(activities, social services) to do their sections. Therapy always comes > >through for me and they give me the information for their section. > > > > I did join AANAC and have been reading emails almost every night > >after work. > > > > > > > > Katie Fox, RN > > Seaview Nursing and Rehabilitation Facility > > St. Thomas, Virgin Islands > > 340-777-3303 ext. 114 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: dfrias > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:32 PM > > > > Subject: Re: simple question > > > > > > > > Welcome Katie! > > > > I think the best place for you to start is the RAI Manual...do you > >have one? > > > > > > > > Also, it will be very important for you to check out (and if > >possible join) AANAC's membership. > > > > > > > > Tell us...how much training you have had in the process? > > > > When did you start? > > > > How many beds are you responsible for? > > > > What sections do you complete? > > > > > > > > Yes, you did ask a basic question...but we are all basic to some > >extent...as the regulations are always changing or being clarified. So > >feel free to ask basic questions...infact, we welcome them! You are a > >brave person to write...others like to lurk....so you may be asking a > >question that others are thinking about. > > > > > > > > I won't bore you and others with the answers as I am sure the > >questions are being answered as I write this. > > > > > > > > A bit of advise.... > > > > Don't try to be a perfectionist you will disappoint yourself. > >Always, know you will always be learning regardless of the seminars, > >conventions and articles...no one has it all! Which is the reason you can > >feel free to ask the questions on this listserver...someone out there may > >have part of an answer and others will expound of that answer...this is all > >part of growing with the MDS. Oh one last thing...try not to look at the > >position as a job...but rather as a career I do believe you will find much > >more rewarding. > > > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > The Nose > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: katie fox > > > > To: aanac > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:54 PM > > > > Subject: simple question > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I am very new to the whole MDS process and am trying to learn > >everything at once. I am the only one in this area that does this job, so > >I am learning a lot from everyone's emails. (thank you) > > > > I have a very simple question-- What is the time frame for me to > >complete the MDS after the ARD? And how long for me to transmit? > > > > Forgive me for the basic question. > > > > > > > > Katie Fox, RN > > Seaview Nursing and Rehabilitation Facility > > St. Thomas, Virgin Islands > > 340-777-3303 ext. 114 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus > scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > /---------------------------------------------------------- > The Case Mix Discussion Group is a free service of the > American Association of Nurse Assessment Coordinators > "Committed to the Assessment Professional" > Be sure to visit the AANAC website. 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