Re: projected minutes

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Our facility has medicare trackers that we use for all medicare patients on the trackers it has the predicted minutes,  training has been that on inital eval the therapist predicts what RUG category and the minutes the patient is to be seen.  I guess I am really confusing everyone on this one.  What I am getting from everyone I think is to use the minutes projected at the time of the ARD-which would be the 3xwk minutes versus the 5x wk minutes? Lisa   In a message dated 1/6/2004 5:50:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our therapists do not give us predicted minutes for section T until they also give us the minutes for section P after the ARD for the 5 day assessment. They should not give you the minutes after they do the eval, but as above. Page 3-216 of the manual sa to include the number of minutes already provided from MDS items P1baB, P1bbB, and P1bcB. Hpe this helps.   Jane  ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: projected minutes I asked this question last week and have not seen any repsonses so I will ask the question again.  Section T on 5 day Medicare assessment where it asks for the estimated minutes patient to be seen thru day 15-how is that tabulated?  Is it strictly from the therapist's evaluation or can it be changed?  For example  Ms Smith is seen by therapy for eval on day 1 and therapy predicts patient to be seen 5 days a week/45 min OT and PT. ARD is set for day 7, on day 5 therapy decides Ms Smith cannot tolerated 45 minutes therapy for 2 disciplines and decreased her to 3x week/ 45 minutes each.  For the predicted minutes in section T do you have to use the initial eval prediction or can you use the projection indicated after therapy decreased?  Is there anywhere it is written?  Thanks-this is very important matter between myself and therapy. Lisa Aurora, CO

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Our therapists do not give us predicted minutes for section T until they also give us the minutes for section P after the ARD for the 5 day assessment. They should not give you the minutes after they do the eval, but as above. Page 3-216 of the manual sa to include the number of minutes already provided from MDS items P1baB, P1bbB, and P1bcB. Hpe this helps.   Jane  ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: projected minutes I asked this question last week and have not seen any repsonses so I will ask the question again.  Section T on 5 day Medicare assessment where it asks for the estimated minutes patient to be seen thru day 15-how is that tabulated?  Is it strictly from the therapist's evaluation or can it be changed?  For example  Ms Smith is seen by therapy for eval on day 1 and therapy predicts patient to be seen 5 days a week/45 min OT and PT. ARD is set for day 7, on day 5 therapy decides Ms Smith cannot tolerated 45 minutes therapy for 2 disciplines and decreased her to 3x week/ 45 minutes each.  For the predicted minutes in section T do you have to use the initial eval prediction or can you use the projection indicated after therapy decreased?  Is there anywhere it is written?  Thanks-this is very important matter between myself and therapy. Lisa Aurora, CO

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