So true- both of your comments!  I had to place my
continent 99 yr. old resident into one of the NF that
I consult with.  Even with QA influence- the same
thing happened to MaMa!!

--- "Holly Sox, RN, RAC-C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Thank you, Delores!!!
> 
> This issue grinds me more than almost any other. 
> Just Saturday, I was informed by a new resident's
> daughter that this alert, continent lady had been
> placed in briefs and instructed to "just go in the
> diaper and I will come back and change you"....
> simply because she is a big lady who requires 2
> person transfers due to non weight bearing status.
> After I verbally counselled the CNA (which is nice
> southern girl translation for chewed her rear end
> out), I placed the resident on a toileting schedule
> and informed the CNA if I found the resident in
> briefs again, or heard about her wearing briefs, the
> CNA would be terminated. 
> 
> Someone please tell me why some CNAs would rather
> clean up a wet or soiled brief than assist a clean
> and dry person to the toilet or bedside
> commode!!!!!!
> 
> Holly
> Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C  
> Clinical Editor, Careplans.com
> www.careplans.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: Bowel and Bladder program
> 
> 
>   I am concerned about requests for b&b programs.  I
> am more interested in assessment of the CAUSE of the
> incontinence.  I urge all list members to look up
> urinary incontinence in the ICD-9-CM book.  There
> are many types of incontinence and the underlying
> cause should be treated.
> 
>   Recently I sat in on a care plan meeting for an
> alert incontinent resident who wore briefs and was
> beginning to have skin problems.  The entire
> discussion focused around her incontinence, briefs
> and skin; I finally asked why she was incontinent. 
> She said it was because she was unable to walk and
> could not go to the bathroom herself.  She said she
> knew when she had to urinate or defecate but could
> not put herself on the bedpan and no one answered
> her light in time.  What type of B&B program does
> she need?  Perhaps the staff need the program.
> 
>   Delores
> 
> 
>     Does anyone have a bowel and bladder program
> that is working?  If so, can you please send me some
> of the information on it.  I have to get one
> designed by Thursday or at least started.
> 
>     Davina DeMerritt, RN
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Delores L. Galias, RN, RHIT
> 
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Marie A. King, RN-CS,Cm,CNS,MSN, RAC-C, NHA

King & Associates, Inc

2007 Old Montgomery Hwy, Ste.B

Birmingham, AL 35244-2079

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