Hi Betty.  Yes, you are on the right track.  If these people have had
qualifying stays and their doctors have signed the Cert/Recerts and have
given you orders for SNF and if you are providing daily skilled services
that you can reflect in the documentation, then yes, skill them.  The fact
that they might die soon does not negate the fact that they are clinically
unstable and your LN's are providing a daily skilled service.
Winona Phelps, RN

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From: Wiedemann, Betty R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:10 AM
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Subject: medicare A vs hospice


With in the last month we have had 3 Rt return from  acute care who have
crashed. The MD feels there is no way they can survive. 
My question is.. if staff are providing skilled assesments for Pain
management, DU's or emotional comfort for someone who will die soon, are we
still able to keep on Medicare
A. 
I see that "services that could qualify as skilled nursing (1) overall
mangement of plan of care" would qualify. As well as (2) observation and
assessment of the Rt changing condition"  Am I on the right track?

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