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Oooops, I meant not be afraid!!!
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From: Orth, Ron A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:51 PM
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Subject: RE: vegetative state

Yes, and we should be 'afraid' to use this process.
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From: Dena Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:44 PM
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Subject: RE: vegetative state

Informal dispute resolution is a very useful thing!  We just had a survey with 2 cites that were based on inaccuracies.  We went to IDR on Tuesday and received a call later that afternoon that one cite was being totally dropped and the other cite was having 3 "examples" removed and several other sentences will be removed or reworded.  The IDR is not with the original surveyors.  It is supposed to be impartial.  I now know that the surveyors have to write the statements of deficiency in a very specific way.  If that isn't done, it's kind of like the "evidence is not admissible in court".  
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ann Schoeny
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:18 PM
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Subject: RE: vegetative state

I would fight the cite, rather than try and correct what is not wrong. Sometimes when the surveyor gets back to the home office they review it and end up not citing.
 
ann m schoeny crnac
sem haven nursing and rehab
225 cleveland ave.
milford, ohio 45150
(513) 248-1270
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:10 PM
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Subject: Fwd: vegetative state

State surveyors just left yesterday and we got dinged for coding coma on a pt. that is in vegetative state.  There is an MD documentation and no documentation that pt. respond to any stimuli except she grunts when being turned.  Grand daughter told surveyor that her grandmother speaks to her in the morning but no one else heared it nor saw it the whole time she was on our floor.  Pt's eyes open spontaneously.
 
I showed the surveyor MD's documentation and she said MD's assessment is different from MDS assessment?  I wanted to ask her if she has read the Manual and attended AANAC conferences and became RNA-C?  It sounds like she was looking very hard to find faults and she LOOOOOOVE her POOOOOOWEEER!  How do we make plan of correction on this instance?
Thanks!

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