----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:59
PM
Subject: [CML] "Naff off"
Fred,
I take it that your idea of the ideal "SUPPORT
GROUP" is one that is supportive, until you decide that others rightly deserve
a bit of your self-justified "distaste", as you euphemistically, call
it.
I'm sorry that you miss the point that in
the previous "political" postings, it isn't the "information", per
se, that causes discord in the group, but what people choose to do, or
feel justified in doing with it, in order, to "support" their own
sense of self-righteousness or feeling offended. Of course,
another alternative to what offends is
to simply consider being supportive (ah, that word again),
and tolerant of others.
Admittedly, like yourself, I
too, am a failure in being supportive and tolerant of what you are
doing, and perhaps, that's why my reply only leaves me in distaste for
myself.
While people's
behavior, motives, issues and language are rarely transparent,
or what they seem, your use of the "Naff
off", invective remains invective, along with your
continued vituperation toward those, whom you call
"knotheads".
I find this behavior both hostile
and personal, and having little to do with the "pros and cons" of
"political information", and that, was the point of my
message to Rob.
Whatever your heritage or relation
to the Royalty, you might want to consider the etymology below, (and
by no means complete), of the little epithet you toss around,
beyond the reference you are already familiar with.
Ralph
CML, dxd5/97
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"The
etymology of "naff" is ultimately unknown. We can provide several
theories...
- According to Kieth Waterhouse, author of Billy Liar (the novel
that contains the senior literary citation), "naff" was used by UK service
personnel as an acronym of "nasty, awful, fuck it".
- Along the same vein, the acronym "NAFFI" has been used by UK service
personnel as an acronym for "Navy, Army, Air Force Institutes" (equivalent
to a US "PX").
- Partridge suggests that "naff" may be a backslang formation of "fanny"
(UK slang for "vagina").
- An explanation from London's gay community points to the acronym "not
available for fucking" (ie, "straight").
- The AHD3 suggests that "naff" is derived from the dialectal "naffhead"
("simpleton").
Aue has threads on the topic of "naff" dating from 1991, here's the link:
etymology
of "naff". Of the theories given, it is likely that acronym
"NAFFI" fits best with naff's meaning of "unstylish or outmoded", and that the
backslang and gay slang theories fit best with the etymology of "naff off".
The OED provides this memorable citation, "1982 Sunday Times 18 Apr.
1/4 Princess Anne..lost her temper with persistent photographers and told them
to 'naff off'".
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:43
AM
Subject: Re: [CML] The Observer UK News
US must act over climate says Queen
Ralph:
Words spoken by one of the Royalty to the press
corps. Once again, as you should have seen in the last go round when a
pro Bush posting was made, the injection of this kind of nonsense causes
discord and all that info pro or anti US or Kerry or Bush is out
there. You want to take issue, take it with the people who feel we are
all too stupid to get world news. For me this remains, a SUPPORT
GROUP, as intended. Logic, and asking nicely have done nothing to
deter the knotheads, so I now choose to let them have some of the distaste I
and others experience when we run into their selfish fanatical
garbage.
Fred
PS- My wife and In-laws, were all English
citizens before they emigrated here.
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