Dear marcie,

I am hoping that your weak positive is just a momentary thing...our blood work 
fluctuates all the time and can go back to undectable..or stay at very low 
levels without problem.....I will keep my fingers crossed for you. I know how 
much these numbers affect us. Stay positive! 

warm regards, Beth 



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Sent: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 11:50 am
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Beth,


I will be seeing Dr. Druker on October 23rd. Maybe we could meet for coffee?


Kristin 

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Marcie Goodman <[email protected]>: Oct 10 06:25PM -0400 

Hi Friends,
 
Just got my 3 month bcr-abl results. After 6 months of undetected, this test 
came back as "weak positive." Not much in terms of amount but I'm bummed that I 
didn't remain undetected.
So I'm wondering if anyone else has received a "weak positive". I'm not really 
worried because I'll be tested again in December but it sure would be great to 
be in complete response again. 
 
Marcie
 
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Susan Zimmerman <[email protected]>: Oct 10 10:59PM -0400 

Dear Marcie and friends,
 
 
So sorry to hear about the slight detection in your numbers. Remember I lived 7 
years and two months with no medicine and my numbers got as high as 
23.0....with very little problems with that. I know everyone is really 
different in reactions. This does not mean you won't continue to use gleevec, 
just a slight bump in the road. I hope your cramping has gone away? 
 
 
Prayers to all, 
18's,
 
Susan
 
 
 
 
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To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Oct 10, 2014 6:30 pm
Subject: [CMLHope] New Results
 
 
Hi Friends,
De
Just got my 3 month bcr-abl results. After 6 months of undetected, this test 
came back as "weak positive." Not much in terms of amount but I'm bummed that I 
didn't remain undetected.
So I'm wondering if anyone else has received a "weak positive". I'm not really 
worried because I'll be tested again in December but it sure would be great to 
be in complete response again. 
 
Marcie
 
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Richard H <[email protected]>: Oct 10 09:22PM -0700 

Hi Marcie. Yes, I had low or negative counts for the first 5 years, It 
has been slowly and steadily rising the last year. Monday I see my ONC to 
see get my latest results. Since his group joined the new KU Regional 
Cancer Center. I may not have my printed copies for a week. You know 
things are always changing, in July the center installed anew computer 
system and everyone is having their problems learning the system.. 
 
Hope my info is helpful. 
Richard H.
 
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Sprycel side effects Beth 

Peter <[email protected]>: Oct 10 03:20AM -0700 

Hi Beth.
I developed insomnia soon after I started Tasigna about two years ago.
For me the answer was 0.5mg Lorazepam (Ativan) before bed time. 
If you haven't tried this already, it may be worth a shot.
 
Peter
 
On Friday, October 10, 2014 12:15:01 AM UTC-4, Beth wrote:


Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]>: Oct 10 07:36AM -0400 

Hi Beth,
 
I'm glad to hear your doing relatively well. When you see Dr. Druker ask
him if Melatonin could be of help to your sleeping problems. I had the
exact problem and still have it but it has gotten a lot better since I
started using *Melatonin.
 
It got so bad at times that I would stay up the whole night no matter what
I did. Sometimes for several days. That was until I went to my lung doctor
for my annual check-up. She asked me how old was my mattress. It was over
fourteen years old and she mentioned that there could be a lot of dust
mites (ugg) in my mattress even though my house is spotless, and that could
be one of the reasons I was being kept up at night. When I thought about it
I remembered that sometimes I would fall asleep on the couch in my family
room watching TV so it kind of made sense to me.
 
So, I took her advice and went out and bought a new mattress. Finally I was
able to get a fairly good night's sleep but my body had to adjust it's
sleep pattern and that took a few weeks.
 
*Melatonin 10 mg is a nighttime sleep aid. I usually buy it from Puritan's
Pride.
 
http://www.puritan.com/night-products-007/melatonin-10-mg-019491
 
Be sure to read the last paragraph it explains about how it works. I hope
that it will help you if Dr Druker says it is alright for you to use it.
 
18's,
 
Marty
 
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:14 AM, bkbarney via CMLHope <


[email protected]: Oct 10 07:40AM -0400 

Hi Beth, Go to Drugs.com and check out Promethazine 25 mg. I was using 
the drug for nausea but it all so works if you have a problem sleeping. 
Check with you Doctor first and go to Drugs.com and look it up for what it can 
be use for. I cut mine in haft because taking the 25mg. knots me out.

Greenie


In a message dated 10/10/2014 12:15:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:
 
Hi Jeannie. I hope your pain gets better..Glad you too do well 
otherwise..with the sprycel. I also want to say hi to Marty and just letting 
you know 
that I am continuing to pray for you daily for a transplant to come 
through. Your home in Penn. is beautiful..so peaceful...hope you and your 
sweetie 
can get back there post successful transplant. fingers crossed..

A question I have for the group. I am struggling with really really bad 
insomnia. I don't know the causes..probably multi factorial but whatever it 
is..it's putting great stress on my body and I just cannot get good 
rest..which, as we all know affects everything else negatively. Do any of you 
know 
something I could try that would not be contra indicated with the sprycel 
that might help? I have tried the usual suspects..to no avail. 

Seeing Dr. Druker two weeks from today...see how close we all are to a 
cure.......:) always hoping...
Goign to Wash U in November to a neuro muscular specialist to try and 
define what is going on with my muscle loss, elevated CPK, and other pieces 
that test positive in my blood and muscle biopsy. I have yet to know anyone 
who has these issues...so hopefully it's not the sprycel..but a concurrent 
thing that has come up that can finally be diagnosed successfully so it can be 
treated..so I can get stronger...this will also help my spine and neck to 
heal post surgeries...hard to heal when you are always deteriorating- 
burning muscle..

Saying positve and counting my blessings each and every day.. just thought 
I would report in ...the warm water PT is my saving grace..feel so much 
better in there... three times a week...working part time....old pooch Gracie 
now 15.5 lost her hearing int he last few months...still plugging 
along..great role model..hs lots of health stuff...older age mostly...but wants 
to walk and play and snooze every day..still eats well..and loves her 
treats.....I love her so. 

love and prayers to all my colleagues and friends here...too many names to 
list by now!!!!

Beth 
 
 
 
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From: ICANDOALLTTC via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Re: Sprycel side effects Beth
 
 

Hi Beth and so glad to hear from you and that you are doing well. It is 
good to hear that you are still on Sprycel and doing good. I am on 100 mgs 
daily and so far, no PE.
Blessings and keep fighting!
Jeanie<3


In a message dated 9/21/2014 11:17:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes:
 
HI all. Just wanted to offer my experiece to the mix. I have been on 
sprycel for 4 years in November, with some breaks for back/neck surgeries 
unrelated. In the beginning, I did get very mild PE which showed up on a chest 
xray that was done as a pre-surgery clearance test. It was not major. My doc 
did but me on furosimide 20 mgs plus potassium daily..and stated I needed 
to stay ahead of any possible swelling side effects if possible. I eat a low 
sodium diet and take this med religiously in the a.m....sprycel before 
bedtime. I am blessed to have no further issues with any PE for the last 3.5 
years. So, in my experience, I believe a daily diuretic with the sprycel has 
truly helped me. I am also on a low dose which maintains me at barely 
detectable to undetectable......40 mgs. I am truly blessed. Hope all is well 
with everyone. I miss you all. Still navigating back issues so not on line 
much at all these days...but keep everyone in my thoughts and prayers. My CML 
is in good control and I count my blessings....including all of you...take 
good care. warm regards, a 18
s.....to all of you.... ( marty still prayng for a transplant..for you..) 
Beth 
 
 
 
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Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Re: Sprycel side effects
 
 
Hi Peter, 
 
 
While it is true that many develop PE while on Sprycel; the upside is that 
the PE often coincides with PCRU!
 
 
And unfortunately diuretics do not reduce the fluid that actually is in 
the sac that surrounds your lungs. For me it usually takes a break from 
Sprycel; I know that many people avoid Sprycel because of this risk, but to me, 
the risk of pleural effusion is less of a risk that the ones that come with 
Tasigna's Black Box Warning.
 
 
My PE's have been more of an inconvenience at this point and fortunately 
clear quickly.
 
 
Best to you all,
Michele
 
 
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Peter <[email protected]_ 
(mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:
 
>From what I have read here and elsewhere, it seems to me that Sprycel will 
definitely cause PE, it is only a question of WHEN, not IF.
For this reason, I have avoided this drug like the plague. Currently, 
Tasigna is keeping at a 3.2 log reduction, which is a sub-optimal response.
My doctor keeps telling me, that PE is "easily controlled with diuretics". 
However, I have not heard this from anybody else.
Does anyone here know anything about the use of diuretics to control PE?
 
Peter 

 
 
On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:33:33 PM UTC-4, grammie wrote: 
Have been reading the reports of various CMLers having side effects from 
the various TKIs. Jut wanted to weigh in with my husband's latest 
experiences. He was short-winded and family doc ordered a chest X-ray which 
revealed some effusion. We reported this to Dr Talpaz (his CML specialist) and 
Dr T wanted him to have an echogram which we were able to do locally with 
his regular cardiologist. Dr T said to quit taking Sprycel immediately and 
not to continue until he and the cardio conferred. As of now, he will have 
another echo in a week to see if there is any change one way or the other. 
He has an appointment with Dr Talpaz in Michigan the middle of October and 
it sounds like they are going to have him stay off Sprycel until at least 
then. It's kind of scary being off the medication that you know is saving 
your life. But Dr T is not concerned. Don't know where this is going 
next. All part of the journey. Continue to pray for all the warriors out 
there. 
Thank you for your input. 
Joyce in IL
 
 
 


 
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[email protected]: Oct 10 07:48AM -0400 

Hi Beth, Darn, I forgot to use spell check (that's Knocks me out). Dam, 
getting old is a pain all of the problems we had when we were younger go away 
and as we get older we get new ones.

Greenie


In a message dated 10/10/2014 7:40:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:
 
Hi Beth, Go to Drugs.com and check out Promethazine 25 mg. I was using 
the drug for nausea but it all so works if you have a problem sleeping. 
Check with you Doctor first and go to Drugs.com and look it up for what it can 
be use for. I cut mine in haft because taking the 25mg. knots me out.

Greenie


In a message dated 10/10/2014 12:15:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:
 
Hi Jeannie. I hope your pain gets better..Glad you too do well 
otherwise..with the sprycel. I also want to say hi to Marty and just letting 
you know 
that I am continuing to pray for you daily for a transplant to come 
through. Your home in Penn. is beautiful..so peaceful...hope you and your 
sweetie 
can get back there post successful transplant. fingers crossed..

A question I have for the group. I am struggling with really really bad 
insomnia. I don't know the causes..probably multi factorial but whatever it 
is..it's putting great stress on my body and I just cannot get good 
rest..which, as we all know affects everything else negatively. Do any of you 
know 
something I could try that would not be contra indicated with the sprycel 
that might help? I have tried the usual suspects..to no avail. 

Seeing Dr. Druker two weeks from today...see how close we all are to a 
cure.......:) always hoping...
Goign to Wash U in November to a neuro muscular specialist to try and 
define what is going on with my muscle loss, elevated CPK, and other pieces 
that test positive in my blood and muscle biopsy. I have yet to know anyone 
who has these issues...so hopefully it's not the sprycel..but a concurrent 
thing that has come up that can finally be diagnosed successfully so it can 
be treated..so I can get stronger...this will also help my spine and neck to 
heal post surgeries...hard to heal when you are always deteriorating- 
burning muscle..

Saying positve and counting my blessings each and every day.. just thought 
I would report in ...the warm water PT is my saving grace..feel so much 
better in there... three times a week...working part time....old pooch Gracie 
now 15.5 lost her hearing int he last few months...still plugging 
along..great role model..hs lots of health stuff...older age mostly...but wants 
to walk and play and snooze every day..still eats well..and loves her 
treats.....I love her so. 

love and prayers to all my colleagues and friends here...too many names to 
list by now!!!!

Beth 
 
 
 
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From: ICANDOALLTTC via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Re: Sprycel side effects Beth
 
 

Hi Beth and so glad to hear from you and that you are doing well. It is 
good to hear that you are still on Sprycel and doing good. I am on 100 mgs 
daily and so far, no PE.
Blessings and keep fighting!
Jeanie<3


In a message dated 9/21/2014 11:17:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes:
 
HI all. Just wanted to offer my experiece to the mix. I have been on 
sprycel for 4 years in November, with some breaks for back/neck surgeries 
unrelated. In the beginning, I did get very mild PE which showed up on a chest 
xray that was done as a pre-surgery clearance test. It was not major. My doc 
did but me on furosimide 20 mgs plus potassium daily..and stated I needed 
to stay ahead of any possible swelling side effects if possible. I eat a low 
sodium diet and take this med religiously in the a.m....sprycel before 
bedtime. I am blessed to have no further issues with any PE for the last 3.5 
years. So, in my experience, I believe a daily diuretic with the sprycel has 
truly helped me. I am also on a low dose which maintains me at barely 
detectable to undetectable......40 mgs. I am truly blessed. Hope all is well 
with everyone. I miss you all. Still navigating back issues so not on line 
much at all these days...but keep everyone in my thoughts and prayers. My CML 
is in good control and I count my blessings....including all of you...take 
good care. warm regards, a 18
s.....to all of you.... ( marty still prayng for a transplant..for you..) 
Beth 
 
 
 
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>; pkshaub <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) >
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Re: Sprycel side effects
 
 
Hi Peter, 
 
 
While it is true that many develop PE while on Sprycel; the upside is that 
the PE often coincides with PCRU!
 
 
And unfortunately diuretics do not reduce the fluid that actually is in 
the sac that surrounds your lungs. For me it usually takes a break from 
Sprycel; I know that many people avoid Sprycel because of this risk, but to me, 
the risk of pleural effusion is less of a risk that the ones that come with 
Tasigna's Black Box Warning.
 
 
My PE's have been more of an inconvenience at this point and fortunately 
clear quickly.
 
 
Best to you all,
Michele
 
 
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Peter <[email protected]_ 
(mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:
 
>From what I have read here and elsewhere, it seems to me that Sprycel will 
definitely cause PE, it is only a question of WHEN, not IF.
For this reason, I have avoided this drug like the plague. Currently, 
Tasigna is keeping at a 3.2 log reduction, which is a sub-optimal response.
My doctor keeps telling me, that PE is "easily controlled with diuretics". 
However, I have not heard this from anybody else.
Does anyone here know anything about the use of diuretics to control PE?
 
Peter 

 
 
On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:33:33 PM UTC-4, grammie wrote: 
Have been reading the reports of various CMLers having side effects from 
the various TKIs. Jut wanted to weigh in with my husband's latest 
experiences. He was short-winded and family doc ordered a chest X-ray which 
revealed some effusion. We reported this to Dr Talpaz (his CML specialist) and 
Dr T wanted him to have an echogram which we were able to do locally with 
his regular cardiologist. Dr T said to quit taking Sprycel immediately and 
not to continue until he and the cardio conferred. As of now, he will have 
another echo in a week to see if there is any change one way or the other. 
He has an appointment with Dr Talpaz in Michigan the middle of October and 
it sounds like they are going to have him stay off Sprycel until at least 
then. It's kind of scary being off the medication that you know is saving 
your life. But Dr T is not concerned. Don't know where this is going 
next. All part of the journey. Continue to pray for all the warriors out 
there. 
Thank you for your input. 
Joyce in IL
 
 
 


 
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Susan Zimmerman <[email protected]>: Oct 10 12:15PM -0400 

Hi Beth,
 
 
Be careful on the melatonin. I use it every night to sleep, but only 2 mg, not 
10!!! I have read several places that anything over two mg is an overdose which 
is not good for your liver and kidneys. 
 
 
Praying for all your issues to get better as you continue to look for answers. 
So sorry about the sleep issues and muscle issues. I am doing well but fighting 
a nasty cough at present. Prayers going up for everyone on this site!!!
 
 
 
Susan 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Myvety2k via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Oct 10, 2014 7:40 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Re: Sprycel side effects Beth
 
 
 
Hi Beth, Go to Drugs.com and check out Promethazine 25 mg. I was using the drug 
for nausea but it all so works if you have a problem sleeping. Check with you 
Doctor first and go to Drugs.com and look it up for what it can be use for. I 
cut mine in haft because taking the 25mg. knots me out.

Greenie

 
In a message dated 10/10/2014 12:15:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:

Hi Jeannie. I hope your pain gets better..Glad you too do well otherwise..with 
the sprycel. I also want to say hi to Marty and just letting you know that I am 
continuing to pray for you daily for a transplant to come through. Your home in 
Penn. is beautiful..so peaceful...hope you and your sweetie can get back there 
post successful transplant. fingers crossed..



A question I have for the group. I am struggling with really really bad 
insomnia. I don't know the causes..probably multi factorial but whatever it 
is..it's putting great stress on my body and I just cannot get good 
rest..which, as we all know affects everything else negatively. Do any of you 
know something I could try that would not be contra indicated with the sprycel 
that might help? I have tried the usual suspects..to no avail. 



Seeing Dr. Druker two weeks from today...see how close we all are to a 
cure.......:) always hoping...

Goign to Wash U in November to a neuro muscular specialist to try and define 
what is going on with my muscle loss, elevated CPK, and other pieces that test 
positive in my blood and muscle biopsy. I have yet to know anyone who has these 
issues...so hopefully it's not the sprycel..but a concurrent thing that has 
come up that can finally be diagnosed successfully so it can be treated..so I 
can get stronger...this will also help my spine and neck to heal post 
surgeries...hard to heal when you are always deteriorating- burning muscle..



Saying positve and counting my blessings each and every day.. just thought I 
would report in ...the warm water PT is my saving grace..feel so much better in 
there... three times a week...working part time....old pooch Gracie now 15.5 
lost her hearing int he last few months...still plugging along..great role 
model..hs lots of health stuff...older age mostly...but wants to walk and play 
and snooze every day..still eats well..and loves her treats.....I love her so. 



love and prayers to all my colleagues and friends here...too many names to list 
by now!!!!



Beth 
 
 
 

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From: ICANDOALLTTC via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Re: Sprycel side effects Beth
 



Hi Beth and so glad to hear from you and that you are doing well. It is good to 
hear that you are still on Sprycel and doing good. I am on 100 mgs daily and so 
far, no PE.

Blessings and keep fighting!

Jeanie<3




In a message dated 9/21/2014 11:17:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:


HI all. Just wanted to offer my experiece to the mix. I have been on sprycel 
for 4 years in November, with some breaks for back/neck surgeries unrelated. In 
the beginning, I did get very mild PE which showed up on a chest xray that was 
done as a pre-surgery clearance test. It was not major. My doc did but me on 
furosimide 20 mgs plus potassium daily..and stated I needed to stay ahead of 
any possible swelling side effects if possible. I eat a low sodium diet and 
take this med religiously in the a.m....sprycel before bedtime. I am blessed to 
have no further issues with any PE for the last 3.5 years. So, in my 
experience, I believe a daily diuretic with the sprycel has truly helped me. I 
am also on a low dose which maintains me at barely detectable to 
undetectable......40 mgs. I am truly blessed. Hope all is well with everyone. I 
miss you all. Still navigating back issues so not on line much at all these 
days...but keep everyone in my thoughts and prayers. My CML is in good control 
and I count my blessings....including all of you...take good care. warm 
regards, a 18

s.....to all of you.... ( marty still prayng for a transplant..for you..) Beth 
 
 
 

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From: LearnToBallroomDanceOnline.com <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>; pkshaub <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Re: Sprycel side effects
 


Hi Peter, 
 
 

While it is true that many develop PE while on Sprycel; the upside is that the 
PE often coincides with PCRU!

 
 

And unfortunately diuretics do not reduce the fluid that actually is in the sac 
that surrounds your lungs. For me it usually takes a break from Sprycel; I know 
that many people avoid Sprycel because of this risk, but to me, the risk of 
pleural effusion is less of a risk that the ones that come with Tasigna's Black 
Box Warning.

 
 

My PE's have been more of an inconvenience at this point and fortunately clear 
quickly.

 
 

Best to you all,

Michele

 

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Peter <[email protected]> wrote:


>From what I have read here and elsewhere, it seems to me that Sprycel will 
>definitely cause PE, it is only a question of WHEN, not IF.
For this reason, I have avoided this drug like the plague. Currently, Tasigna 
is keeping at a 3.2 log reduction, which is a sub-optimal response.
My doctor keeps telling me, that PE is "easily controlled with diuretics". 
However, I have not heard this from anybody else.
Does anyone here know anything about the use of diuretics to control PE?
 
Peter 

 
 
On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:33:33 PM UTC-4, grammie wrote: 
Have been reading the reports of various CMLers having side effects from the 
various TKIs. Jut wanted to weigh in with my husband's latest experiences. He 
was short-winded and family doc ordered a chest X-ray which revealed some 
effusion. We reported this to Dr Talpaz (his CML specialist) and Dr T wanted 
him to have an echogram which we were able to do locally with his regular 
cardiologist. Dr T said to quit taking Sprycel immediately and not to continue 
until he and the cardio conferred. As of now, he will have another echo in a 
week to see if there is any change one way or the other. He has an appointment 
with Dr Talpaz in Michigan the middle of October and it sounds like they are 
going to have him stay off Sprycel until at least then. It's kind of scary 
being off the medication that you know is saving your life. But Dr T is not 
concerned. Don't know where this is going next. All part of the journey. 
Continue to pray for all the warriors out there. 
Thank you for your input. 
Joyce in IL
 



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