Jeanie, Needles lord knows I hate them.  The first time I  had a blood test 
it was to get married.  My  Doctor lived 3 blocks  away form me and I wor
ked for him when I was in High School.  They did the  blood work and he walked 
in after and took one look at me and he put is hand  behind my head and 
pushed it down and told me to pushed as hard as I could to  keep me from 
passing out.
 
Then when I went into the Navy I was on active duty for a  year and a haft 
they found out that I didn't get any of my shots.  Well you  know what 
happened then, I received them all at once, both arms.  So years  go by and I 
end 
up with CML and we all know about needles.  Yes, some are  good and some 
are bad.  I had to get blood work this Monday and I think the  lady took the 
needle outside and scraped it on the pavement plus I think it was  square and 
bent. I think it when through my arm and out the other  side.
 
And the first BMB all they gave me it was so much  fun that I asked them to 
do another one. Ha, Ha.  After about 10 or 11 of  them I asked to be put 
into lala land which they did but I had to have someone  drive me home.  My 
wife has to give me a shot of testosterone every  two weeks, the needle is 
1/1/2 in long another fun shot.  So for me they do  the molecular blood work 
and no more BMB.  Thank you.
 
Take care and hang in their,
 
greenie
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2015 6:08:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Hi Marty. 
How are you?
I am going to have the endoscopy today.  First I will go to the  blood area 
and have blood checked. Then to dr for consultation.  Then to  have the 
endoscopy.  
Long day. 
Needles are no fun but we get used to them.  Some draws are good  some bad. 
 
Pray for me and all in need. 
Love Jeanie 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]_ 
(mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:




Hi Jeanie,  


You have been through so much it's about time that you got a break or  two. 
Not feeling that IV go in and no black and blue afterward then having a  
BMA with little or no pain. 


Well, two out of two ain't too bad is it? <360.gif>


When I was a kid I had a phobia, and it was needles. I hated them that  on 
the day my school was giving shots I told my mother that I was sick and  
couldn't go to school that day. So, she kept me home and I went to school  the 
next day. Guess what? I got the shots that day.


OK I'm in the army and in those days you had to walk down an isle to  get 
all of your shots. They used a machine that looked like a gun and I  thought 
it wouldn't hurt. Guess what? It did!


Then when I was 45 years old I got CML and went for a bone marrow  
transplant. So many, many needles that I just got used to them. Then having  17 
BMB's. It looks like needles and me are just like twins, always together.  Not 
to mention that one of the aspiration needles break off and lodge in my  
illiac. So in go more needles and an in-cession follows to remove that  needle. 
Then four stitches, of course using another needle.      


So about 4 years ago my kidneys fail and I go on dialysis. Two very  large 
needles are stuck into my arm every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and  they 
stay in there for four hours.


I wouldn't say that I have gotten used to them but maybe I just don't  pay 
that much attention to them anymore.


So much for any phobias., but life goes on. Hopefully I will be  getting 
some more needles for a kidney transplant soon. Now doesn't that  sound warped 
from someone that had a phobia against needles? It just all  depends on how 
one looks at it I guess...


18's,


Marty






On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:27 AM, 'Icandoallttc' via  CMLHope 
<[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:


Hi Marty and thanks so much for that uplift.  I have been  dreading it for 
some reason.  
I pray that you get your kidney soon-- I know those fistula  operations are 
tedious.  
The procedure I dread most is the IV. 
My last one last week was a miracle.   The nurse put it in and I  didn't 
feel a thing.  Later I looked for the black and blue mark left  by the IV and 
no sign at all.  I have never had this before.   It's usually black and blue 
and swollen. 
My Bma has hurt very little. Thank The Lord!!!


You are our spice of life and thanks for being there for. And thanks  to 
all if you for your prayers and uplifts. 
Blessings
18's jeanie<emoji_u1f42c.png><emoji_u1f42c.png>



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2015, at 10:06 PM, Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]_ 
(mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:




Hi Jeanie,  


Good luck with your endoscopy.  They usually do put you out for that 
procedure. I don't know if they  will use a Propofol cocktail but if they do 
you 
will go to sleep and  when you wake up you will still think that the 
procedure was not yet  done. Very good sleep with no after effects. I have had 
at 
least a dozen  of them. Every time they operate on the fistula in my arm they 
use it.  It looks like I will be going in for another procedure for my 
fistula,  there is a narrowing in two sections. This will make 13 procedures in 
 
the last 12  months. I  sure hope that a kidney transplant will be coming 
soon.


I have to share a story about my anesthesia doctor. She knows  me so well 
that we are on a first name basis. So, the last time that I  had to be put 
out I asked her if I could "knock myself out" Of course I  was only kidding 
but she told me that she would let me do it to  myself.


So, i'm in the operating room and she is standing over me and she  puts the 
oxygen mask on my head and as she is holding the needle that is  connected 
to me IV she tells me to put my thumb on the plunger but not  to push it 
until she tells me so. 


Ok I got my thumb on the plunger and she tells me to push it very  slowly 
when she counts to three. So, I'm waiting and her thumb is on top  of mine 
and she counts "one" then she starts to count "two" and the next  thing I know 
is that I am waking up in the recovery room. 


When she came to see me I asked her if I was the one that knocked  myself 
out and she just smiled. 


By the way this Propofol is white in color and looks like  milk.


Humor is the spice of life.<360.gif>


18's,


Marty 

 
 

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:19 PM, 'Icandoallttc'  via CMLHope 
<[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:


Hi Marty 
Yes a fl cracker--hope you are great today!!!
I am going to have an endoscopy thur. 
First one--they put you to sleep. 
Blessings
Jeanie

Sent from my iPhone
 
 

On Jan 19, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]_ 
(mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:




Hi Jeanie,  


You sound like a real southern gal. As for me, I'm just a good  old plain 
city boy that also loves to go fishing. When I was a kid  my father would 
take me out deep sea fishing and my favorite fish  was blue fish. My mother 
used to cook it in milk to get rid of the  fishy taste. It was really good but 
I can't seem to find blue fish  here in Florida.


Anyway, I am kind of surprised to hear that your having a  difficult time 
with Hydrea. That was the first drug that I got along  with Allopurinal when 
I first had CML.


Both of those drugs never gave me any problems except if I took  too much 
and it would take about a week for them to start working.  Once they did then 
my blood counts would drop sometimes drastically  so the doses had to be 
adjusted, but I never got sick or anything  like that from them.


Good luck,


18's,


Marty


On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:59 AM, ICANDOALLTTC  via CMLHope 
<[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:


Hi all,
My family all love to fish, and we keep and eat everything  legalhehe.
I was reared on good fried to a golden brown perch that live  in the Fl 
lakes and rivers.
There is nothing better than good fried mullet with their roe  fried to t 
golden brown.
We love it with grits and tomato gravy and cornbread.
I am feeling some better, but taking Hydrea is no fun at  all.  Knocks you 
for a loop.
I haven't heard about the pontatinib yet.
My doctor says its a powerful drug and has to be kept  monitored every week.
Well all the drugs are powerful as far as I am  concerned.
Good luck everyone,
Jeanie<3
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2015 2:58:00 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])   writes:

Hi again Greenie,  


Like you said, don't look back but only  forward. 


By the way, I am an animal lover whether it be dogs, cats,  birds or fish.


I am glad to hear that you threw back those fish where they  belong. 


18's,


Marty


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Myvety2k via CMLHope  
<[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) >  wrote:


Marty, My aunt left me some stock and money  and one of the stocks was 
Novartis and my stock guy told me to  sell it.  That was before Gleevec was in 
any kind of  study.  Because of him I also lost $43,000.00 and I  pulled my 
money out and fired him. If I, would have, could  of.  Of course I wish I 
would have kept some of my early  Corvette's that I had I would be worth a more 
money then  Novartis.  But can't look back, just look  forward.
 
Thanks for your reply, also I live in  South Fort Myers not far from the 
beach.  In fact I went  fishing yesterday by the beach and caught 8 fish.   
But I do not keep any, back into the water they go where they  belong.
 
greenie
 
 



 
In a message dated 1/15/2015 1:09:00 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  writes:

Hi Greenie,  


First, where in Florida do you live? I am on the east  coast, Boynton 
Beach. If we are not to far maybe we can do  lunch one of these days. If my 
memory serves me right I  think that you may be in Ft Meyers??? If so then I 
guess  that lunch is out of the question...


About STI571. Do you know how it came about? As  everyone already knows Dr. 
Brian Druker who was the one that  had first discovered it. He tried 
finding a drug company  that would produce it and finally found Novartis which 
was 
 at the time an agricultural drug company. 


One of Dr. Drukers patients was Zavie Miller who was  trying out STI571 and 
it was working. Novartis didn't want  to produce it in quantity because of 
the start up costs.  Both Zavie and I got in touch with one of the 
principals of  Novartis and told him that we may be able to bring a lot of  
investors 
into the company. 


At the time there was another CML site and we got on  and asked if people 
would like to invest in the Novartis  stock. At that time their stock price 
was $1,200 a share but  there were also what is called American registry 
shares of  Novartis that was selling for only $20.00 a  share. 


Everyone started buying those shares and Novartis then  started production 
but only after it was approved by the FDA  which normally takes about 10 
years. With pressure being put  on the FDA STI571 was approved in about one and 
a half  years, and became Gleevec.


I bought many shares of Gleevec at $20.00 a share and  have nor will I ever 
sell them because of my support for  Novartis. As of my December stock 
portfolio Novartis is  listed at 92.6600. Novartis stock has continuously gone 
up  and up over the years.  


I am however disappointed in the price they are  getting, most notably 
there are people with CML that can not  afford it. Now Novartis does have some 
options for those  that are having a difficult time but it still would be 
nice  if Novartis would look back at what they were and what they  are now, and 
maybe consider dropping their price for  Gleevec. Wishful thinking? Maybe 
but maybe not,  hopefully...


But Greenie, as you mentioned it is all about greed and  money.


18's,


Marty


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:32 AM,  Myvety2k via CMLHope 
<[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) >  wrote:


Thank you Marty,   Everything you wrote is so true about Gleevec and  CML.  
It's unfortunate that greed and money has to be  in the equations in the 
final outcome.  After  Interferon that almost killed me all that was left was  
Hydrea.  So when Doctor Tallman called me and wanted  be in his study for 
STI571 I had no idea what was going  on.  Within 3 months I was 85% clean and 
after 6  months I was clean.  Yes their have been over the  years some up's 
and down's put that's part of  life.  Like my late Aunt used to always say 
when  she was in her 80's I just take one day at a time.   

I wound like to see a cure in my life  time because the old hour glass is 
starting to run low on  sand.. And the way these people drive here in Florida 
the  end could come anytime I leave the friendly confines  and that's not 
any guarantee because most of the people  speed and run the stop signs in 
this 55 and older  community.
 
Keep in touch,
 
Greenie
 
 

 
In a message dated 1/15/2015 8:11:39 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  writes:


Hi Greenie,


So you have been on Gleevec for 15 years. That is  something good to know 
because what would you have done  without Gleevec? This drug is responsible 
for saving  countless lives. Thank GOD it is here or you wouldn't be  here 
right now. 


If it weren't for dialysis neither would I be here  right now. This is the 
advancement of what medicine has  on our lives today. I always say that 
there will be a  cure for CML and you can mark my words it WILL come  soon. 
Just 
like all of the things that were not around  years ago now they are coming.


GOD bless you Greenie!


18's,


Marty 


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:47 AM,  Shannon L <[email protected]_ 
(mailto:[email protected]) >  wrote:

Hi Greenie 15 yrs on glivec,  i will  be 14yrs this yr (started roughly 3 
yrs after dx)  
Shannon

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at  12:11:08 AM UTC+11, greenie wrote:  
 
Jeanie, as of Jan. 10th I will  have been on Gleevec for 15 years. Starting 
to  retain fluid around my ankles a little but that  could be and age 
thing. 75 years old.
 
greenie
 
 

 
In a message dated 1/9/2015 7:53:41 A.M.  Eastern Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Hi Richard and thanks for the update.   My onc doesn't like for me to be 
informed either;  he just ignores what I say and goes on to tell me  what he 
thinks.
My uric acid was high along with my WBC and  Platelets.  He seemed to be 
more concerned  with the high uric acid--even called me on my cell  personally 
twice; never had that happen  before.
He took me off Sprycel adn put me on Hydrea  and allopurinol; it's funny 
the same thing they  did 11 years ago when I was first dx.
He took another blood sample to see if I have  a mutation against the 
Sprycel.  It seems  strange that I had a mutation with Gleevec after 5  years.  
Is five years a cut off point? Has  anyone else have this happen?  Anyone 
else  been on Hydrea after tki?
Going next week to Moffitt to see if I have  the mutation.  Will let 
everyone know.
The leukemia has reared it's ugly head once  again!!
Pray for me and everyone in need.
Blessings
Jeanie 
(18) 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/8/2015 11:59:08 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected]  writes:

 
WOW!  Just  read todays posts.  I am praying for  the group.  I will add my 
problem to the  list.  Dec. 30 I contacted ONC about  gaining 9.5 pounds 
water weight in 20 days after  restarting Gleevec.  His nurse called that  he 
was out of the country on vacation with his  family.  She checked with the 
DR. covering  for him and he asked me to stop Gleevec as he  thought I was 
gaining weight  too  fast also.  My ONC did return to the office  on Monday 
but finally had a conference with his  Associate and he agreed with that  
decision.  They both thought that I should  be on a different treatment.  My 
ONC 
 was to draft an e-mail to the VA ONC (the one  controlling my 
prescriptions) about my reaction  to Gleevec and to recommend the  treatment he 
thinks I 
should be on.   So I am still in a wait and see stage.  My  ONC tells me I 
am too informed about my  condition and that challenges most blood cancer  
specialists  that rarely see CML.   
So let the fun and games  continue.  I am still feeling great, but  the 
"Gleevec Brain" was also starting to show  itself, but nine days off has 
cleared it. I'm as  sharp as a busted tack, but that is "normal" for  me.


As always, "life" and may  your tomorrow be beautiful and better than  
today.


Richard  H.  



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