Hi, I am currently working on a huge IA and interface redesign of a corporate intranet (@18,000 pages and 65 division) moving it into once cohesive product. I am one of the IA's and the design, not the CMS people. The product that is being used is Stellent and the after looking at these emails for a couple weeks I notice that no one has mentioned this product. I am curious if anyone has experience using this product or what peoples opinions are?
Thanks, Brett Taylor www.amichi.info At Saturday, 16 November 2002, you wrote: >Send cms-list mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cms-list.org/mailman/listinfo/cms-list >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of cms-list digest..." > >Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Directory Uploads - WebDAV (Peter Kappus) > 2. RE: Directory Uploads - WebDAV (Murphy, Bryan (RBC Mortgage)) > 3. RE: Directory Uploads - WebDAV (Charles Reitzel) > 4. Re: eWebWP (was: Contribute) (John Dowdell) > 5. RE: Directory Uploads - WebDAV (David Macey) > 6. RE: Directory Uploads (Ben Noblet) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: Peter Kappus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [cms-list] Directory Uploads - WebDAV >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:50:24 -0800 > >St=E9phane's comment about webDAV reminds me of another idea I've been >considering for content delivery. I hope it isn't too off-topic. = >Suppose >you want to distribute your content to users not via HTML but via = >PDF's, >word .docs, Image files, etc. To provide simple access, you set up >read-only webDAV folders for their accounts which contain the documents >they're entitled to download. > >Yes, IIS 5 supports webDAV folders but authentication must be handled = >via >your NT domain and you probably don't want to create an NT account for = >each >of your external users. I haven't adequately examined Apache's mod_dav >add-ons. Are there products that only handle webDAV and authentication >independently of your web-server? For this system it would only need = >to >provide read-only access. > >The second question is this: Suppose, you have 20,000 users and only = >20 >unique documents. (this is an extreme example) You want to let them = >access >content via webDAV folders but you don't want to store 10,000 copies of = >one >single file... Would it be possible to build a daemon that would = >handle >webDAV requests and authentication to make it appear that the files = >were >always available to the user but actually create directory listings and >deliver documents on-the-fly from a single core repository behind the >scenes? It's basically a glorified publishing engine that spits out >directory listings and binary files directly to the client and saves a = >ton >of storage. Does such a product already exist? How much knowledge of >WebDAV and HTTP would be necessary to build something from scratch? = >What's >the simplest approach? Perl? > >I hope this makes sense and seems relevant. > >Many thanks, >-Peter > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stphane Croisier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:44 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [cms-list] Directory Uploads > >Try using a WebDAV server and client so you can map your remote = >repository=20 >through the Windows WebFolders. In java try:=20 >http://jakarta.apache.org/slide/index.html > >Regards > >St=E9phane >www.jahia.org > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "Murphy, Bryan (RBC Mortgage)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Peter Kappus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [cms-list] Directory Uploads - WebDAV >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:22:42 -0500 > >Apache has a wonderfull sweet of WebDAV modules, but if you're seriously >interested in checking out WebDAV and Apache, you might want to take a >look at Subversion: > >http://subversion.tigris.org/ > >Subversion is an Open Source version control system that uses WebDAV via >Apache as it's primary interface. It is being developed by many of the >developers who originally created CVS as a replacement for CVS. > >While I have not yet personally used it, we are currently migrating our >environment from CVS to Subversion. Our other developers are so far >quite impressed by it. > >Bryan > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Kappus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:50 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [cms-list] Directory Uploads - WebDAV > >Yes, IIS 5 supports webDAV folders but authentication must be handled >via >your NT domain and you probably don't want to create an NT account for >each >of your external users. I haven't adequately examined Apache's mod_dav >add-ons. Are there products that only handle webDAV and authentication >independently of your web-server? For this system it would only need to >provide read-only access. > >------------------------------------------------------------ >This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does >not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or >copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an >intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, >please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > >============================================================ > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:27:41 -0500 >To: Peter Kappus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Charles Reitzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [cms-list] Directory Uploads - WebDAV >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >I believe that, out of the box, Apache mod_dav will only display=20 >collections and documents to which the user has at least read access. So=20 >there is no need for individualized folders, per se. Each user will have a= >=20 >"personalized" view of the same content collection(s). > >However, I believe it uses Apache directory and file access controls to=20 >evaluate access level: read, write, delete. However, all things in Apache= >=20 >are malleable. Worst case, you write your own permissions module. This=20 >probably means finding an existing one and modifying it for your own needs. > >The big omission in WebDAV is workflow. It's pretty much in or out. So I= >=20 >don't see WebDAV as a viable method to integrate 3rd party publishing tools= >=20 >(e.g. Dream Weaver, XML Spy, etc.). > >FYI, Subversion is an add-on to mod_dav that implements document and=20 >collection versioning and a file system replacement. Or, looking at it the= >=20 >other way, Subversion is an RCS that uses mod_dav as it's client/server=20 >protocol. > >take it easy, >Charles Reitzel > >At 11:50 AM 11/15/2002 -0800, Peter Kappus wrote: >>St=E9phane's comment about webDAV reminds me of another idea I've been=20 >>considering for content delivery. I hope it isn't too off-topic. Suppose= >=20 >>you want to distribute your content to users not via HTML but via PDF's,=20 >>word .docs, Image files, etc. To provide simple access, you set up=20 >>read-only webDAV folders for their accounts which contain the documents=20 >>they're entitled to download. >> >>Yes, IIS 5 supports webDAV folders but authentication must be handled via= >=20 >>your NT domain and you probably don't want to create an NT account for=20 >>each of your external users. I haven't adequately examined Apache's=20 >>mod_dav add-ons. Are there products that only handle webDAV and=20 >>authentication independently of your web-server? For this system it would= >=20 >>only need to provide read-only access. >> >>The second question is this: Suppose, you have 20,000 users and only 20=20 >>unique documents. (this is an extreme example) You want to let them=20 >>access content via webDAV folders but you don't want to store 10, 000=20 >>copies of one single file... Would it be possible to build a daemon that= >=20 >>would handle webDAV requests and authentication to make it appear that the= >=20 >>files were always available to the user but actually create directory=20 >>listings and >>deliver documents on-the-fly from a single core repository behind the=20 >>scenes? It's basically a glorified publishing engine that spits out=20 >>directory listings and binary files directly to the client and saves a ton= >=20 >>of storage. Does such a product already exist? How much knowledge of=20 >>WebDAV and HTTP would be necessary to build something from=20 >>scratch? What's the simplest approach? Perl? >> >>I hope this makes sense and seems relevant. >> >>Many thanks, >>-Peter >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Stphane Croisier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:44 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [cms-list] Directory Uploads >> >> >> >>Try using a WebDAV server and client so you can map your remote repository >>through the Windows WebFolders. In java try: >>http://jakarta.apache.org/slide/index.html >> >>Regards >> >>St=E9phane >>www.jahia.org >>-- >>http://cms-list.org/ >>trim your replies for good karma. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:28:37 -0800 >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Dowdell) >Subject: Re: [cms-list] eWebWP (was: Contribute) > >At 3:26 AM 11/14/2, Michal Geci wrote: >> I have discovered that this Ektron's flash based wysiwyg editor >> doesn't work on Macs (tested on iMac G4 with Mac OS X - Mozilla >> and IE browsers) because his Java runtime environment doesn't >> support Live content (data live streams)! Can anybody confirm this? > >I can't confirm that, but I'm interested in how you discovered it. . their >"Systems Requirements" link does state that they work in both Mozilla >(native) and IE5+ (classic and native): >http://www.ektron.com/ewebWP.cfm > >I do not see a requirement for a Java runtime on that page, and would be >hard-pressed to imagine why one would be needed. > >Do you have a citation for your discovery? Thanks. > >Background on "LiveConnect": Netscape 3 implemented a Java-based >script/plugin intercommunication routine. IE/Win later followed with a >different approach to similar problems. Mozilla changed the Netscape plugin >approach. IE/Mac is one of the big holdouts in this type of work. More >cross-browser info is available by searching the Macromedia Technotes with >term "liveconnect". > IE/Mac never did explicitly support the Netscape "LiveConnect" >mechanism, although its sibling on Windows did support a parallel >mechanism. I don't remember whether Mozilla and its variants explicitly use >the term "LiveConnect" any longer for their new implementation of >script/browser intercommunication. (iow, your explanation would have some >inaccuracies regardless of the initial observation.) > >jd > >John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco >(Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) >Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ >Column: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ >Technical daily diary: http://jdmx.blogspot.com/ > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Subject: RE: [cms-list] Directory Uploads - WebDAV >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:45:39 -0600 >From: "David Macey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Disclosure: I am an employee of Stellent, Inc. We develop and market a >commercial CMS package. > >WebDAV has a lot of momentum, from our perspective, not only from a >product standpoint but also from a customer requirement standpoint. >WebDAV is not just a web-folder sharing methodology in which content is >physically located in a folder structure much like you would see within >a traditional file server. To say it differently, its not just enabling >access via the web to folders within a file server. > >WebDAV as a communications medium between a centralized respository, >using policy/role based access to content objects, and an end-user is >not only possible but available in a number of commercial products >today. This includes the ability to present, based on user or groups or >roles or whatever security model they use, a folder structure and views >within each folder that is determined by that users permissions. In the >end, its only a virtual representation of the traditional file hierarchy >metaphor with the single authoritative source object being managed. > >As for the complexity of building such a system and how best to go about >it, I will not approach that subject for obvious reasons :) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Ben Noblet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [cms-list] Directory Uploads >Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:19:55 +1100 >Organization: Lateral Systems > >> For a client of ours, we are developing a CMS solution for >> their intranet and is based on Apache Tomcat, JSP/Servlets >> and MS SQL Server. One of the requirements is that the >> content contributers should be able to upload full >> directories to the server using the browser based interface >> of CMS. They do not want to select multiple files but would >> want to select a directory. Does anyone know of any free >> utilities which i can use to give my clients the ability to >> select full durectories and upload them? > >I realise you said "free" (as in beer) but the following commercial >offerings are also available. WebDAV which is also a viable solution as >mentioned by others. > >Persits X-Upload >http://www.aspupload.com/xupload.html >- An Active-X (client side) addon which works with AspUpload (server >side) to enhance file upload capabilities, including recursive >subfolders. Due to it's active-x nature, it will only work in IE. > >Persits Xfile and Jfile >http://www.safileup.com/saxfile.html >http://www.safileup.com/sajfile.html >- Similar to Xupload but available in an ActiveX or Java applet version. >The Java version runs on a much wider variety of platforms, albeit some >with minor "limitations". > >I have not used either product but have used both vendor's server side >upload components. > >Hope this helps, >Ben > >--__--__-- > >-- >http://cms-list.org/ > >End of cms-list Digest > Brett Taylor www.amichi.info Strategic Knowledge Architecture and Information Design -- http://cms-list.org/ trim your replies for good karma.
