Hi Joe
>
>Any of the programmers out there preaching XML editors, compliant HTML,
>etc. should take a good look at Joel's UI Guide for Programmers article
>at:
>
>http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000057.html
>
>I've summarized the above at:
>
>http://www.joestump.net/pages/news.php/709
>
>It makes a lot of sense - users want programs to work how they *expect*
>them to work. As programmers we need to program to users' expectations,
>not our own agendas. Users don't care about open formats, powerful
>options, etc.
>
I think you are right and wrong at the same time.

If users don't care about open formats etc, this doesn't mean they shouldn't
and even more they wouldn't (if someone would take the time to tell them).
Most often people don't know why XML is so much a better format than Word,
HTML, etc - nobody ever tells them. They just get Word at some early stage
(which gets more and more early btw).

Myself I slept once in a "pure presentation" world. When I understood the
power of SGML, XML finally, I really woke up:) Since then I try to explain
why XML matters for everybody, not only for techies.

You could also look at it like this: XML is most basically structuring your
thoughts and if you can structure your thoughts, you also gain something
intellectually.

>At any rate we've strayed from the original posting asking for pointers
>on embedded WYSIWYG editors for CMS.

Check out the two Wysiwyg XML Editors that I like:
- Bitflux Editor (http://www.bitfluxeditor.org)
- Xopus (http://www.xopus.org)

I am from Bitflux btw.
Best regards
Roger



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