I believe contentEditable is coming along at Mozilla, and although our own WYSIWYG XUL application is far short of the WYSIWYG XML editors at Xopus and bitflux, we think it is a viable solution for low-end UI's that only need to get HTML fragments (and in our case whole HTML pages) edited without looking at the HTML code (which we prefer, frankly).
Have you checked out http://wysiwyg.skybuilders.com?
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From: "Robert Koberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [cms-list] Re: Cross-platform WYSIWYG editors
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:28:13 -0800
Hi,
On mozilla: it seems, unforunately, that they are not going to offer
contentEditable any time in the near future. They are offering 'design mode' for
an iframe. This makes it a no go for us (or anybody offering wysiwyg???). We
would have to rework far too much to take advantage of the minimal functionality
they are offering.
As for Xopus, they have or are going to close their source. It is disturbing
they gained all the exposure they did...
Robert Koberg
liveSTORYBOARD
415-615-9079
San Francisco
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Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:05 AM
Matt,
You are partly right. Windows shops will probably not install Mozilla.
But they already have a fine solution with the IE MS DHTML control.
Ektron's over 800 CMS customers (from Vignette down) are managing fine
when they are on Windows.
We are talking here about the 10% of users on Mac and Linux. And they
now have three choices - Java applets, Macromedia Flash, and Mozilla.
The best Java solution has long been RealObjects edit-on� Pro
<http://www.realobjects.de/> . (The one-site, unlimited users license is
$6000.) There is an open-source Java WYSIWYG widget at Hexidec
<http://www.hexidec.com/ekit.php>, but it's not yet ready for prime
time. Open-source Java developers out there should pitch in to help them.
Ektron has just released a Flash-based editor, eWebWP
<http://www.ektron.com/ewebwp.cfm>. It has a $99 license for unlimited
users. A CMS system would need one license for each of its clients.
The newest option is the Mozilla XUL application. You may not care for
Mozilla, but a lot of open-source people do, and it is their last great
hope for Macs and Linux systems.
Even more important, Netscape in due course will roll it into the latest
Netscape, which will be acceptable to many of your Windows shops.
We at skyBuilders <http://www.skybuilders.com>have drafted the first
full-featured HTML WYSIWYG editor for Mozilla. It's not perfect, but
it's open source, and we charge no license fees. This is not our main
business. We just needed it (like almost everyone on this list) to
strengthen our small enterprise information system, called timeLines
<http://www.skybuilders.com/thesky>.
We don't call timeLines a CMS because we don't yet have templates and
content elements to separate presentation from content, but we do have
some neat web publishing tools integrated with many other tools. (We
wrote the first-to-market desktop publishing system, MacPublisher, in
1984.) We hope to add an XML WYSIWYG editor (either bitflux or Xopus)
when we add templates and content elements into our data model.
So we put up the open-source code for what we call *skyWriter for
Mozilla*, and a second *skyWriter for IE* (a pretty full-featured
version of the MS DEC editing compnent). You can demo both of these
online, and you can download the code for both WYSIWYG editors today. Go
to http://wysiwyg.skybuilders.com and check it out.
Those of you building your own CMS should find it a piece of cake to
integrate these tools into your UI front ends. And you will make that
extra 10% of CMS users very happy. If others improve the open-source
code, we can meet objections like round tripping your good HTML without
losing anything.
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