Darrell,

You wrote you are " currently researching various CMS solutions for our org.
" and that you were llokiing for "a product that offers the delivery of
training content
along side of their CMS...Specifically, allowing the following:

 - media presentations (video, flash, etc.)
 - text documentation
 - Testing

"I'm not necessarily looking for a CMS with those features, rather I was
wondering if there is a class of products that fall into a 'Traning
Management System' classification that potentially integrates into a larger
CMS."

My company has a similar need and our results may be of interst to you.

We have defined our need as a CMS that can allow us to manage the following:
1) our already in-house developed e-learning content
2) other corporate content -- intranet, internet, and documents

We presently develop and deliver our product by including BlackBoard in our
suite of tools -- for development as well as delivery. What we need is a
corporate CMS that is e-learning aware i.e. that allows us to firstly better
manage our e-learning content, and later to be expanded to other content.

To meet our needs we have looked at a range of products commercial and open
source. We reluctantly are inclined -- because of our paucity of internal
skills -- to go the commercial route.

Within that route, we were then faced with a) good LCMS or b) e-learning
aware CMS which can integrate with LMS (BlackBoard).  Because we wanted to
keep to one system to do both e-learning content and corporate content,
we're leaning towards b).

There is a VERY narrow number of vendors of corporate CMS which manage both
e-learning and corporate content. (ANY who are out there reading this PLEASE
come forward if you really DO manage both and integrate with LMS
applications!). We have elected to examine An Australia product which
appears to have incredible potential. The australian DOD have also
discovered
it, as has Open Learning Australia (a consortium of 7-8 Aussie
universities). The company is Harvest Road. Their CMS proportedly will
integrate tightly with BlackBoard to create a final product called HIVE that
manages both e-learning and corporate. We are about to give it a suite of
tests.

Harvest Road's HIVE may be worth investgating for your own needs, Darrell:
www.harvestroad.com/. It is reasonaly priced as CMS's go.  (And you US
dollar will make that purchase even better!).  If there is anyone out there
you have implemented Harvest Road's HIVE to acieve goals similar to ours --
manage in-houise developed e-learning content and corporate content, I would
very much like to hear from you.

regards,

Carol Avis
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Today's Topics:

   1. Online training (OT?) (Austin, Darrel)
   2. RE: Online training (OT?) (Steve Drucker)
   3. Re: Documentum CMS Consulting/Implementation (ROBERT NELSON)

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From: "Austin, Darrel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:48:16 -0600
Subject: [cms-list] Online training (OT?)

This may be completely off topic, but it seems to have some correlation with
CMS.

We're currently researching various CMS solutions for our org. We've
recently added a secondary need...online training/courseware/testing. Has
anyone worked with a product that offers the delivery of training content
along side of their CMS?

Specifically, we need the following:

 - media presentations (video, flash, etc.)
 - text documentation
 - Testing

I'm not necessarily looking for a CMS with those features, rather I was
wondering if there is a class of products that fall into a 'Traning
Management System' classification that potentially integrates into a larger
CMS.

I hope that makes sense.

-Darrel

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Message: 2
From: Steve Drucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Austin, Darrel'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [cms-list] Online training (OT?)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:54:05 -0500

Well, it's probably way overkill...but you might want to start looking at
Blackboard (www.blackboard.com)

>From more of a ground-up development perspective, check out the Macromedia
Flash Communications Server (http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashcom/).
This is a relatively new product and there are a number of ISV's that are
basing products around it....

Regards,
Steve Drucker
CEO
Fig Leaf Software
www.figleaf.com
1-877-FIG-LEAF


-----Original Message-----
From: Austin, Darrel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [cms-list] Online training (OT?)

This may be completely off topic, but it seems to have some correlation with
CMS.

We're currently researching various CMS solutions for our org. We've
recently added a secondary need...online training/courseware/testing. Has
anyone worked with a product that offers the delivery of training content
along side of their CMS?

Specifically, we need the following:

 - media presentations (video, flash, etc.)
 - text documentation
 - Testing

I'm not necessarily looking for a CMS with those features, rather I was
wondering if there is a class of products that fall into a 'Traning
Management System' classification that potentially integrates into a larger
CMS.

I hope that makes sense.

-Darrel
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:34:30 -0700
From: ROBERT NELSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [cms-list] Re: Documentum CMS Consulting/Implementation

Jim =

Following up on your post and in the same vien as Joseph Martins' first r=
eply,
I can give you a indirect reference to a firm.

Background, I am an independent consultant working with a retail firm bas=
ed in
the Pacific Northwest.  In the fall of this year the firm was looking at
enterprise class document/content mgmt solutions.  They, for a variety of=

reasons, narrowed their platform choices down to Documentum and FileNet. =
 I
was part of the team that was to evaluate both products, as part of that
effort we had both firms come in and present (typical dog & pony effort) =
to
us.  One of the questions we asked was +IBw-Who are the top 3
integrators/implementers of your packages?+IB0  Both Documentum and FileN=
et
listed one firm, Covansys Corporation, (www.covansys.com) in their top th=
ree. =

They both also listed their own professional services groups.  Interestin=
g
(for what it is worth) Documentum, only listed those 2, FileNet listed 1 =
other
firm.  =


We were a little intrigued; Covansys appears to be the normal systems
integrator/consulting firm, not bad size; $400 million, which we liked.  =
It
meant that they were not going to go away tomorrow, but not so big that t=
hey
would act like a big five.  They had a smaller +IBw-practice+IB0 that foc=
used on
document/content management specifically and this was the group that
Documentum and FileNet both spoke about.  We also liked the fact that the=
ir
price points were a lot lower than the vendor+IBk-s professional services=
 groups
and they were willing to be flexible in structuring the agreement to prov=
ide
work in a manner that fit our plans.

If you are interested I can provide the contact information for the proje=
ct
lead at this retail firm and he can probably provide the contact informat=
ion
at Covansys.  As I understand this firm is working through the set up of =
a
master services agreement with Covansys and plans on using them in 2003 f=
or
the document/content mgmt implementation.

Good luck

Rob Nelson


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> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:43:13 -0500
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> Subject: [cms-list] CMS Consulting/Implementation
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> I apologize in advance if this is a redundant question for many of you.=
 =3D
> I'm implementing Documentum as a CMS in 2003. Aside from Documentum's =3D=

> professional consulting services can anybody provide names of =3D
> integration/consulting firms that you've had success with for =3D
> implementation?
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> Thanks.
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