Hi Cameron

phpWebSite seems pretty basic. The user permissions are rudimentary and the approach 
to site structure/categorization does not look very intuitive - not easy to visualize 
a multilevel site. It does however offer many of modules from calendar to discussions.

In my experience producing a valid and accessible site requires templates and rich 
editor:

1. Templates that are designed by people with knowledge of the 
validation/accessibility issues and can be applied by authors/users of the CMS but not 
altered.

To make the system easy for designers creating templates it makes sense to abstract 
dynamic elements into "widgets" (interface components). This allows developers to 
isolate the underlying CMS code and keep it stable, yet give designers easy, ideally 
tag based component syntax to use when adding dynamic items in their template designs. 

For example <widget:menu/> would add a dynamic menu. The widget itself typically 
comprises server-side scripting and markup - so it is validated independently. Widget 
presentation is changed via CSS.

2. Authors require a rich editor that produces compliant output (XHTML) and enforces 
CSS. phpWebSite does not offer this (unless you add an editor to it yourself) since it 
has a basic markup text area with rudimentary image capability (upload one image as 
far as I can tell). I think that will be the biggest problem - invalid markup in 
content.

Regards

Johan


> ------------Original Message------------
> From: cameron muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, Oct-5-2004 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Mambo and Web Standards
>
> Hello Geoff,
> 
> I've tried Mambo, Drupal and Plone as well. I settled on phpWebSite as 
> it is fully featured and the admin seemed intuitive to me. 
> http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu/
> 
> By default, it produces valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional and meets level 1 
> of the WCAG 1.0.
> 
> I'm trying to increase its acceessibility conformance and trying to 
> reach a strict or higher level XHTML. Discussion about this is on my 
> website: http://design.quagma.net
> 
> Regards,
> cameron.
> 
> Geoff Deering wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >Has anyone any experience with Mambo?  I'm just building a site for 
> someone
> >now using Mambo, but I can't find any templates that use valid markup 
> and I
> >can't find one Mambo site that validates, including mambo designers 
> and
> >template sites, but still looking.
> >
> >Has anyone used it and built their own templates (which I'm thinking 
> of
> >doing).  But before I go any further, has anyone hit dead ends with 
> it?
> >
> >I tried to use Drupal, but it's not up to scratch.  I've looked at
> >TextPattern briefly, but it seems like a pretty cut down and basic 
> CMS,
> >which is an assumption on my part because there is little or no
> >documentation.  I do need something that is standards compliant, or 
> can be
> >configured that way pretty easily.
> >
> >Plone is poorly designed if you want to reskin it.  It's a pain.  But
> >there's also a lot I like (and dislike) about it.
> >
> >What are others using?
> >
> >Regards
> >Geoff
> >
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