XenWryla LeFae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So I am a self-taught zoper and pythoner these days.

Welcome. :) Have you peaked at the cliki (<http://cliki.net/>)?  It is
an invaluable resource.  I would also recommend the Lisp Newbies
mailinglist (<http://www.cliki.net/LispNewbies>) if you don't feel quite
ready to post to comp.lang.lisp yet.  If you like IRC you'll probably
find <http://www.cliki.net/IRC> interesting.

I came directly from Zope and Python to Common Lisp myself.

> My question is this, what is going to be the easiest way to get up and
> running doing web programming in lisp so that my learning curve is as
> flat as possible?

IMHO (<http://cliki.net/IMHO>) might not be the best web-application
framework there is, but it will certainly allow you to create
web-applications relatively quick.

There are other options; <http://www.cliki.net/Web> has several of them.
You might be interested in LML: <http://lml.b9.com/>.

Depending on how you learn best and how proficient in Common Lisp you
aim to become, I'd recommend that you read the ANSI Common Lisp
standard.  You'll find a link to it from the ALU cliki
(<http://alu.cliki.net/Standard>).  (Google is also your friend,
naturally.)

> Persistence in lisp?

I've used UncommonSQL and CL-SQL with and without IMHO on several
occasions and they worked quite well.  You'll find them both at - you
guessed it - the cliki.

A friend of mine, Thomas Stenhaug, is currently writing cl-pile which is
to Common Lisp what pickle and shelve is to Python; only it has
transactions and several other neat features.  He hasn't announced it to
the public yet (although I have been a happy beta-tester for a while
now) and he is currently relocating to France so it might still be
several months before you see an announcement from him.  If you want to
give him a hand in testing or coding you'll reach him at
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

I don't know what platform or operating system you are going to run your
software on but if you by chance are running Debian you are in great
luck.  'apt-get install cl-imho' will get you going in a flash.
'apt-cache search cl | grep "^cl"' will give you a whole host of Common
Lisp packages.

Erik.


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