CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit to under-hull or keel area...

hi fellow CnC'ers,
i'm a new owner and have a couple of questions, the firsr has to do with the thru hull drain holes from cockpit to under-hull or keel area.
these darn holes keep getting plugged and never really drain properly.
i understand an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so i wonder,
now that she's on the hard, is there anything i can do to get her as unplugged as possible and to keep her holes free and clear?

Her previous owner is not available due to health and can not ascertain how long she has been on hard without seeing water, so the next question is what should i do to prep her for April launching?

Any good experience/advice would be very greatly appreciated.

jt



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  3. Re:  xantrex link 20 (Martin DeYoung)
  4. Re:  xantrex link 20 (Della Barba, Joe)
  5.  buying a C&C 40 (Andrew Burton)
  6. Re:  xantrex link 20 (Dennis C.)
  7. Re:  buying a C&C 40 (Dennis C.)
  8. Re:  buying a C&C 40 (Joel Aronson)
  9. Re:  xantrex link 20 (Joel Aronson)
 10. Re:  buying a C&C 40 (Andrew Burton)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:36:25 -0500
From: Eric Frank <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List suggestions for unscrewing a plastic hose barb
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Ken ( and later contributors),

Sorry, my mistake in terminology. It's not a gate valve. A bronze ball seacock - seems to be in good shape. Still turns easily and definitely turns on and off. Danny - thanks for the input on how to remove the plastic hose barb. I'll try it.

Eric

Cat's Paw, 35-2
Mattapoisett, MA

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:03:40 -0400
From: Ken Heaton <[email protected]>
To: cnc-list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List suggestions for unscrewing a plastic hose barb
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And there is the question as to why you would want to keep the existing
thru hull if it is really a gate valve. An old gate valve is very unlikely
to actually shut off if you try to close it and if you do get it to close
it probably won't open again, usually the stem snaps off inside
leaving the gate stuck shut.

Time to get the Marelon Catalogue out...

http://www.forespar.com/marelon-marine-boat-plumbing.shtml

If it isn't a gate valve but is a proper sea-cock, carry on.

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin

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I have two house batteries. No separate starting battery yet.


I use a Xantrex Link 20 to monitor voltage/current on each battery and it appears the display has gone belly up. IE I can only see voltage for each battery, no current. Does anyone have trouble shooting ideas/options?


I looked at the Xantrex Linkpro as a replacement, but I need to buy two - one for each battery, add an additional shunt, blah, blah, blah.


Any other recommendations for a replacement?


thanks,
Pete
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:25:41 +0000
From: Martin DeYoung <[email protected]>
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Pete,

I have the Link monitor + 2,500 watt inverter/charger on Calypso. It was manufactured by Heart Interface just about the time Xantrex was acquiring them.

A few years back Calypso's link display failed. At that time Xantrex still had a manufacturing/engineering/repair facility near Seattle. I was able to have a chip replaced and a software upgrade by the repair facility. Since then that whole facility was closed and the work moved offshore. A company named Outback that manufactures alternative energy inverters is now operating out of that building.

Xantrex customer service and technical support was less than helpful but they did offer up several "reset" type commands that I had not tried in the past. My guess is Xantrex has lost the ability to service the older Link systems. Since the last repair the "smart" regulator went TU and I now use a 3 stage that is compatible. I sent the failed regulator to a company (tech in a small shop) in Florida to see if it was repairable. After a few conversations regarding the possible issues he disappeared.

I have some Link diagnostic info and a copy of the manual somewhere in my files if you are interested. The display will lose a digit or so if left on the same setting all the time or in direct sunlight. To compensate I leave the display on "Batt 2, amperage" which limits the number of digits energized. When I want to check the battery voltage I switch the display over to read the value. This mostly works but it is a short term solution.

If you choose another system I am interested in how it works out.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
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Subject: Stus-List xantrex link 20

I have two house batteries.  No separate starting battery yet.

I use a Xantrex Link 20 to monitor voltage/current on each battery and it appears the display has gone belly up. IE I can only see voltage for each battery, no current. Does anyone have trouble shooting ideas/options?

I looked at the Xantrex Linkpro as a replacement, but I need to buy two - one for each battery, add an additional shunt, blah, blah, blah.

Any other recommendations for a replacement?

thanks,
Pete
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:46:50 -0500
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[email protected]>
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See if the wiring came off the shunts. That would disable the current part of the unit.

Joe Della Barba

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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Stus-List xantrex link 20

I have two house batteries.  No separate starting battery yet.

I use a Xantrex Link 20 to monitor voltage/current on each battery and it appears the display has gone belly up. IE I can only see voltage for each battery, no current. Does anyone have trouble shooting ideas/options?

I looked at the Xantrex Linkpro as a replacement, but I need to buy two - one for each battery, add an additional shunt, blah, blah, blah.

Any other recommendations for a replacement?

thanks,
Pete
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:48:12 -0500
From: Andrew Burton <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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Well, I started out looking at a fixer-upper of a 35 Mk I, then looked at
Mk IIs, then a 39 (we didn't care for the layout for cruising as a couple). Glanced at some Mk IIIs--C&C really seems to have got it right with each of
the 35s, didn't they? About the same time a friend found me a 40 to look
at. Way out of my range, but a lovely boat. A couple of months later, the
boat's owner and I have come to an agreement, and next week she's mine!
Hull number 143, built in 1981, most recently called Thunder, (based in
East Greenwich, RI) and before that Reverie, she'll be coming to her new
home in Newport. Cruising plans include getting to Maine this summer.

I've been lurking on the list and once in a while chiming in when I thought
I had something useful to add, but I've been impressed with the scope and
depth of knowledge here. So what should I be looking at attending to before
launching in April? I know to pull the tie straps and check they're bedded
well and for crevice corrosion, and there are couple of survey items to
attend to, but nothing serious. What else? Suggestions for projects or
improvements?

Cheers
Andy

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Newport, RI
USA 02840
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:49:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dennis C." <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List xantrex link 20
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Might be a bit more than needed or wanted but the Blue Sea VSM 422 monitors a lot of systems, AC, DC, amphours consumed, tank levels, etc.? Of course you have to buy the sensors you need.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




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From: Martin DeYoung <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List xantrex link 20



Pete,
?
I have the Link monitor + 2,500 watt inverter/charger on Calypso.? It was manufactured by Heart Interface just about the time Xantrex was acquiring them.
?
A few years back Calypso?s link display failed.? At that time Xantrex still had a manufacturing/engineering/repair facility near Seattle .? I was able to have a chip replaced and a software upgrade by the repair facility.? Since then that whole facility was closed and the work moved offshore.? A company named Outback that manufactures alternative energy inverters is now operating out of that building.
?
Xantrex customer service and technical support was less than helpful but they did offer up several ?reset? type commands that I had not tried in the past.? My guess is Xantrex has lost the ability to service the older Link systems.? Since the last repair the ?smart? regulator went TU and I now use a 3 stage that is compatible.? I sent the failed regulator to a company (tech in a small shop) in Florida to see if it was repairable.? After a few conversations regarding the possible issues he disappeared.
?
I have some Link diagnostic info and a copy of the manual somewhere in my files if you are interested.? The display will lose a digit or so if left on the same setting all the time or in direct sunlight.? To compensate I leave the display on ?Batt 2, amperage? which limits the number of digits energized.? When I want to check the battery voltage I switch the display over to read the value.? This mostly works but it is a short term solution.
?
If you choose another system I am interested in how it works out.
?
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Stus-List xantrex link 20
?
I have two house batteries. ?No?separate?starting battery yet.
?
I use a?Xantrex Link 20?to monitor voltage/current on each battery and it appears the display has gone belly up. ?IE I can only see voltage for each battery, no current. ?Does anyone have trouble shooting ideas/options?
?
?I looked at the Xantrex Linkpro as a replacement, but I need to buy two - one for each battery, add an additional shunt, blah, blah, blah.?
?
Any other recommendations for a replacement?
?
thanks,
Pete
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:54:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dennis C." <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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Congratulations!


Sounds like the boat is on the hard so focus on the underbody.? If they're not ball valves, replace the thruhull valves with ball valves. Replace the cutless bearing.? Maybe rebed the strut.? Make sure you like the prop.


Everything else you can do after launch.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




________________________________
From: Andrew Burton <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 12:48 PM
Subject: Stus-List buying a C&C 40


Well, I started out looking at a fixer-upper of a 35 Mk I, then looked at Mk IIs, then a 39 (we didn't care for the layout for cruising as a couple). Glanced at some Mk IIIs--C&C really seems to have got it right with each of the 35s, didn't they? About the same time a friend found me a 40 to look at. Way out of my range, but a lovely boat. A couple of months later, the boat's owner and I have come to an agreement, and next week she's mine! Hull number 143, built in 1981, most recently called Thunder, (based in East Greenwich, RI) and before that Reverie, she'll be coming to her new home in Newport. Cruising plans include getting to Maine this summer.

I've been lurking on the list and once in a while chiming in when I thought I had something useful to add, but I've been impressed with the scope and depth of knowledge here. So what should I be looking at attending to before launching in April? I know to pull the tie straps and check they're bedded well and for crevice corrosion, and there are couple of survey items to attend to, but nothing serious. What else? Suggestions for projects or improvements?

Cheers
Andy

--
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61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:56:27 -0500
From: Joel Aronson <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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Congrats!
I'd start below the waterline - thru hulls, smile, bottom prep. Then the
rig.
Rod rigging?  It's supposed to be re headed every 10 years.
Photos please!

Joel Aronson


On Dec 3, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Andrew Burton <[email protected]> wrote:

Well, I started out looking at a fixer-upper of a 35 Mk I, then looked at
Mk IIs, then a 39 (we didn't care for the layout for cruising as a couple). Glanced at some Mk IIIs--C&C really seems to have got it right with each of
the 35s, didn't they? About the same time a friend found me a 40 to look
at. Way out of my range, but a lovely boat. A couple of months later, the
boat's owner and I have come to an agreement, and next week she's mine!
Hull number 143, built in 1981, most recently called Thunder, (based in
East Greenwich, RI) and before that Reverie, she'll be coming to her new
home in Newport. Cruising plans include getting to Maine this summer.

I've been lurking on the list and once in a while chiming in when I thought
I had something useful to add, but I've been impressed with the scope and
depth of knowledge here. So what should I be looking at attending to before
launching in April? I know to pull the tie straps and check they're bedded
well and for crevice corrosion, and there are couple of survey items to
attend to, but nothing serious. What else? Suggestions for projects or
improvements?

Cheers
Andy

--
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:47 -0500
From: Joel Aronson <[email protected]>
To: "Dennis C." <[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
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Pete

If you are going to replace think about a third battery, solar, inverter.
I've seen lots of complaints about the new Xantrex stuff on CF fwiw.

Joel Aronson


On Dec 3, 2012, at 1:49 PM, "Dennis C." <[email protected]> wrote:

Might be a bit more than needed or wanted but the Blue Sea VSM 422 monitors
a lot of systems, AC, DC, amphours consumed, tank levels, etc.  Of course
you have to buy the sensors you need.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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*From:* Martin DeYoung <[email protected]>
*To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 12:25 PM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List xantrex link 20

 Pete,

I have the Link monitor + 2,500 watt inverter/charger on Calypso.  It was
manufactured by Heart Interface just about the time Xantrex was acquiring
them.

A few years back Calypso?s link display failed. At that time Xantrex still
had a manufacturing/engineering/repair facility near Seattle .  I was able
to have a chip replaced and a software upgrade by the repair facility.
Since then that whole facility was closed and the work moved offshore.  A
company named Outback that manufactures alternative energy inverters is now
operating out of that building.

Xantrex customer service and technical support was less than helpful but
they did offer up several ?reset? type commands that I had not tried in the
past.  My guess is Xantrex has lost the ability to service the older Link
systems. Since the last repair the ?smart? regulator went TU and I now use
a 3 stage that is compatible.  I sent the failed regulator to a company
(tech in a small shop) in Florida to see if it was repairable. After a few
conversations regarding the possible issues he disappeared.

I have some Link diagnostic info and a copy of the manual somewhere in my
files if you are interested.  The display will lose a digit or so if left
on the same setting all the time or in direct sunlight.  To compensate I
leave the display on ?Batt 2, amperage? which limits the number of digits
energized.  When I want to check the battery voltage I switch the display
over to read the value. This mostly works but it is a short term solution.

If you choose another system I am interested in how it works out.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
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*Sent:* Monday, December 03, 2012 9:52 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Stus-List xantrex link 20

I have two house batteries.  No separate starting battery yet.

I use a Xantrex Link 20 to monitor voltage/current on each battery and it
appears the display has gone belly up.  IE I can only see voltage for each
battery, no current.  Does anyone have trouble shooting ideas/options?

 I looked at the Xantrex Linkpro as a replacement, but I need to buy two -
one for each battery, add an additional shunt, blah, blah, blah.

Any other recommendations for a replacement?

thanks,
Pete

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:01:29 -0500
From: Andrew Burton <[email protected]>
To: "Dennis C." <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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Thanks, Dennis.
All ball valves. Have to free up the cockpit drain valves. The surveyor
says I'll get another couple of seasons on the cutless bearing and it has a
MaxProp that I like a lot! I looked at the strut and discussed it during
the survey. The surveyor (Dwight Escalera of Executive Marine who is a
friend and very knowledgeable) said everything was fine there. I'll monitor
it during the summer, though.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Dennis C. <[email protected]> wrote:

Congratulations!

Sounds like the boat is on the hard so focus on the underbody. If they're not ball valves, replace the thruhull valves with ball valves. Replace the
cutless bearing.  Maybe rebed the strut.  Make sure you like the prop.

Everything else you can do after launch.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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*From:* Andrew Burton <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 12:48 PM
*Subject:* Stus-List buying a C&C 40

Well, I started out looking at a fixer-upper of a 35 Mk I, then looked at
Mk IIs, then a 39 (we didn't care for the layout for cruising as a couple). Glanced at some Mk IIIs--C&C really seems to have got it right with each of
the 35s, didn't they? About the same time a friend found me a 40 to look
at. Way out of my range, but a lovely boat. A couple of months later, the
boat's owner and I have come to an agreement, and next week she's mine!
Hull number 143, built in 1981, most recently called Thunder, (based in
East Greenwich, RI) and before that Reverie, she'll be coming to her new
home in Newport. Cruising plans include getting to Maine this summer.

I've been lurking on the list and once in a while chiming in when I
thought I had something useful to add, but I've been impressed with the
scope and depth of knowledge here. So what should I be looking at attending
to before launching in April? I know to pull the tie straps and check
they're bedded well and for crevice corrosion, and there are couple of
survey items to attend to, but nothing serious. What else? Suggestions for
projects or improvements?

Cheers
Andy

--
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260

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Newport, RI
USA 02840
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