OTOH I have no interest at all in being able to get my boat on a trailer. I don't own a vehicle that could possibly tow it and have no plans to ever get one. AFAIK my boat has never ever moved anyplace on a trailer in 40 years. I think the overlap between people who want a trailerable sport boat and people who want to go cruising is very small as well. C&C did build the SR series that interior space aside were trailerable sport boats AFAIK. One trend you can see in racing is it has been getting closer to auto racing over the years, i.e. the boats are more specialized as race boats and other uses of them are far down the list. Cruisers are buying a Catalina with a nice comfortable cockpit with a table and a place for a grill and are totally divorced from modern racing, even if they do a have fun doing their own owner's group racing.
Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 9:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Stus-List Questions I've been dying to ask Rob Ball - Mega Edd I would love to comment on this one. Over the past year I look at the interior of my 27. No not C&C but J. Is 27.5 LOA, 8.5 beam, 3800 disp and has a functional interior with long comfortable bunks but ridiculously cramped head and sitting not even stooping headroom. I go from there to think that a 30 foot modern sport boat even a Farr 30 should with its extra LOA and beam have enough room to have a much more usable interior than our 27 - with long comfortable bunks, stooping headroom, galley of sorts and decent head area. The boats are racing OD or PHRF against their own measured performance so why not? Such a 30 footer would have all the amenities of our 27 and then some. However Nope .. is not currently done much. To get such a beast you almost have to go back 25 - 30 years when dual purpose boats were more the norm. Back to the Mega. Lets match up the design concept against my supposed wish list. I will state my wish list first Wish list: Fast. At 30 feet should be below PHRF 120 - preferably well below 100 these days Light. Max 5000 lbs Trailerable - this means ramp launchable - retracting keel - not folding centerboard keel but a modern lifting foil Usable interior. When not racing would like to be able to weekend or longer on the boat as well Inboard would be ideal - saildrive preferably ... and of course these days sprit not pole so easier to sail with less crew Match that up against the Mega. Then go back and compare to designs of that day. It seems to me the Mega was designed basically for what I was asking ... the near impossible, I would challenge you to trailer Enterprise. Even the tractor beams and transporters are not yet up to snuff for that at this time. Try a C&C 30 or even a 27. You are down to a 25 or a 24 before you get a boat that is in fact trailerable (not ramp launchable) So the Mega? Tried to be a whole lot of boat for a whole lot of different requirements and wishes. In a lot of ways I think it did succeed, in others not as well. It was however reasonably fast and I think had a retracting bulb keel. Probably was too far ahead of its time because a lot of people want that now and no one is really making one - Andrews 28 was the closest and the rest have minimalist interiors. Mega = great idea BTW - Koobalibra the C&C 115 we sail on just sailed to Cape Breton. When it finishes race the cape it will next race Baddeck Race Week, Then it will sail the 200+ NM from Baddec to Chester for Chester RAce Week the following week. A lot of deliveries. By contrast our 27 will sail in Baddeck Race week, kick around the lakes a bit and then trailer back to Halifax - I think this is the idea that the Mega was designed for - that and travelling to OD regattas anyway ... Mike ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:55 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Stus-List Questions I've been dying to ask Rob Ball How about this one. The Mega: What were you thinking? All the best, Edd ------------------------------- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C&C 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com<http://www.StarshipSailing.com> ------------------------------- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile ------------------------------- Sent via iPhone 5 On Jul 12, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Chuck S <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Rob, I plan to make your rendezvous, should be a blast. Thought we C&C owners might prepare a list of questions for Rob to consider? Here's a start: 1) What other sailboat designers influenced or impressed him? Heard he was friends with Bob Perry. But wonder if he followed Olin Stevens, Bill Luders, Bill Tripp or Doug Peterson, or German Frers, Chuck Paine, Rob Johnstone, Steve Killing, etc. 2) Did other boat builders influence C&C; Saber, Swan, Beneteau, Jenneau, Catalina, Hunter? 3) Has he designed any other sailboats since leaving C&C? 4) Heard he once built his own C&C 34. What did he name her. Where is she now? Did he make any modifications? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ________________________________ From: "Robert Gallagher" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 6:24:16 PM Subject: Stus-List Best C&C's of all time I do agree that the 30 MKII may not be the exact same pedigree as the 34+ and 37+, mainly the rudder and keel designs . If you look at the layouts, drop down/walk through transom steps, aft head, aft cabins, saloon table design, overall layout, fit and finish, you can see a some similarities that you won't find in most other C&C models. Of course the 30 MKII is smaller so you don't get the separate shower stall or walk around queen berth in the aft cabin. Still from many angles it does seem like a mini-34+. Now this is just my humble opinion. However, it is one questions I will be asking ROB BALL IN PERSON September at the <insert shameless plug here> 2013 C&C RENDEZVOUS ON GORGEOUS BLOCK ISLAND SEPTEMBER 6TH TO 8TH, WHERE ALL THE COOL C&C OWNERS AND LOVERS WILL BE. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ http://www.cncrendezvous.myevent.com/ Feel free to argue this point further, in person, over a beer, on the dock, at the BI Boat Basin, I'm bringing a keg so bring your own darn cup and your boat. :) _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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