Guys the race starts tomorrow. We finished a practice round today on Pensacola Bay using the 155 / drifter / asym etc all while the Blue Angles were practicing right above us for their Summer shows. Was surreal.
Will do our best represent the C&C nation. After the race we will head south to Belize then onto Rio Dulce. OK....here we go! Steve Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2014, at 9:11 AM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 (Adam Marks via CnC-List) > 2. Re: CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 > (Frederick G Street via CnC-List) > 3. Re: CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 > (Rich Knowles via CnC-List) > 4. Re: Mixed batteries (Wally Bryant via CnC-List) > 5. 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Did not realize I would get so many emails > everyday > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 5, 2014, at 5:04 PM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Mixed batteries (Rich Knowles via CnC-List) >> 2. Re: Mixed batteries (Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List) >> 3. Re: Mixed batteries (David via CnC-List) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:20:12 -0300 >> From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: Marek Dziedzic <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all >> batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've >> converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their >> engines. >> >> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >> >> Rich >> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 14:52, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Edd, >>> >>> I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here >>> is based on my personal experience and what I have found from others. >>> >>> The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, >>> as well). WM sells it here: >>> http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/xantrex--echo-charge-battery-charger?333669; >>> Defender here: >>> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289976&id=93959 >>> (for $10 less). >>> >>> It seems that it is a device that responds to exactly your issue ? how to >>> keep a starting battery charged and separated from the house without any >>> overly complex (and costly) dual battery regulators. >>> >>> Apparently, there is a caveat with it. You may want to read that rant by >>> Main Sail: >>> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html. >>> There is nothing wrong with the device; only with the instruction manual >>> that comes with it. >>> >>> Btw. Nothing is cheap (as usual with anything boat related). The Echo >>> Charger sells for about $120. maybe I should not use the word ?cheap?, >>> because I think that this is a cheap insurance. But it is not necessarily a >>> ?low cost?. After all, you would be spending $120 plus installation, plus >>> rewiring, plus some additional incidental costs in order to save a $100 >>> battery or two. >>> >>> Btw 2. I bet that a few of our (C&C List?s) electrical experts would have >>> to say a word or two on the subject. >>> >>> Marek (in Ottawa). >>> >>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> >>> Marek, >>> >>> Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect >>> it? >>> >>> The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up >>> parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and was >>> dragging the other down. >>> >>> I replaced all with two new 31s about 4 years ago. Now one of those two is >>> dead and I don?t feel like dumping $300 on a replacement when I?m not >>> running on batteries for more than a few hours on any given day. >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Edd >>> >>> >>> Edd M. Schillay >>> Starship Enterprise >>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>> City Island, NY >>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >>> >>>> On May 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Marek Dziedzic <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Edd, >>>> >>>> I don?t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this >>>> would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major >>>> disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your >>>> starting battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be >>>> charging that weak battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is >>>> nearly dead, the other would not start the engine, either, but instead >>>> would discharge to equalise the voltage with the weak one). >>>> >>>> No question (in my mind), the best way is to start from the starting >>>> battery (hence the name) and have the echo charger making sure that both >>>> batteries are charged properly. >>>> >>>> Some advocate to have the batteries split into ?main? and ?spare?. Many >>>> good marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your >>>> system this way, you start on the ?main?, it gets charged by the >>>> alternator and the echo charger maintains the ?spare?. >>>> >>>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>>> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge the >>>> ?main? battery first and then charge the ?spare? (mine has a selectable >>>> 50/50 or 90/10 split). >>>> >>>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail?s articles on that >>>> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >>>> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >>>> >>>> Marek (in Ottawa) >>>> >>>> PS. Would ?may the Force (May the 4th) be with you? apply, even if it is a >>>> day late? I know it is mixing the references... >>>> >>>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>>> >>>> Rich, >>>> >>>> Please do send around a diagram. I?m planning to do something similar ? a >>>> 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). >>>> >>>> When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the >>>> alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing and ?hanging out?, I >>>> would switch to 1 only. >>>> >>>> I have a solar panel and a dual battery regulator, which would connect to >>>> both. >>>> >>>> Two weeks to launch and still much to do?.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> Edd >>>> >>>> >>>> Edd M. Schillay >>>> Starship Enterprise >>>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>>> City Island, NY >>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points >>>>> of view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else >>>>> but start the engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries >>>>> in parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be identical. I feed >>>>> the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a >>>>> Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged. >>>>> A simple 1/both/2 off switch feeds the house load from either battery and >>>>> acts as a combiner switch if needed. I have a diagram I can send you if >>>>> you wish. >>>>> >>>>> I have wired many boats this way with no complaints or incidents. >>>>> >>>>> Rich Knowles >>>>> Indigo. LF38 >>>>> Halifax. NS >>>>> >>>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:47, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my >>>>>> earlier post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex Truecharge >>>>>> 40 wants all the batteries it charges to be the same since >>>>>> its charging schemes apply to all three outputs to the batteries. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before I pull the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I >>>>>> need some list advice: >>>>>> >>>>>> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for >>>>>> starting and using the house batteries for the house. I am aware that >>>>>> an AGM can be used for starting as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if a 'starting' battery is better for this job (CCA, etc.) and >>>>>> the AGM is better for its job, how does one use a single charger like >>>>>> mine >>>>>> to satisfy different charging schemes? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2 chargers, a smarter charger that has outputs for different battery >>>>>> characteristics, or 'forgetaboutit" and charge both batteries as though >>>>>> the were both AGMs? >>>>>> >>>>>> Charlie Nelson >>>>>> Water Phantom >>>>>> C&C 36 XL/kcb >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/603aa11d/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:45:06 -0400 >> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: >> <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71e25a48...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> There are any number of ways to wire a boat. I have changed a few things, >> but I have always stuck with the principle that I can turn every light on, >> go ashore for a few days, and then come back to a dead house battery and hit >> the starter button and have the engine start right up and charge both banks >> without having to set any switches. The last time we were stuck with a dead >> battery was during hurricane Charlie and that was because one of them >> cracked and the acid leaked out. >> I?ll post how mine are wired tonight sometime. >> Joe Della Barba >> Coquina >> C&C 35 MK I >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich >> Knowles via CnC-List >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:20 PM >> To: Marek Dziedzic; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all >> batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've >> converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their >> engines. >> >> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >> >> Rich >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 14:52, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Edd, >> >> I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here is >> based on my personal experience and what I have found from others. >> >> The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, >> as well). WM sells it here: >> http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/xantrex--echo-charge-battery-charger?333669; >> Defender here: >> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289976&id=93959 >> (for $10 less). >> >> It seems that it is a device that responds to exactly your issue ? how to >> keep a starting battery charged and separated from the house without any >> overly complex (and costly) dual battery regulators. >> >> Apparently, there is a caveat with it. You may want to read that rant by >> Main Sail: >> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html. >> There is nothing wrong with the device; only with the instruction manual >> that comes with it. >> >> Btw. Nothing is cheap (as usual with anything boat related). The Echo >> Charger sells for about $120. maybe I should not use the word ?cheap?, >> because I think that this is a cheap insurance. But it is not necessarily a >> ?low cost?. After all, you would be spending $120 plus installation, plus >> rewiring, plus some additional incidental costs in order to save a $100 >> battery or two. >> >> Btw 2. I bet that a few of our (C&C List?s) electrical experts would have to >> say a word or two on the subject. >> >> Marek (in Ottawa). >> >> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> Marek, >> >> Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it? >> >> The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up >> parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and was >> dragging the other down. >> >> I replaced all with two new 31s about 4 years ago. Now one of those two is >> dead and I don?t feel like dumping $300 on a replacement when I?m not >> running on batteries for more than a few hours on any given day. >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. Schillay >> Starship Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, NY >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Marek Dziedzic >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> Edd, >> >> I don?t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this >> would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major >> disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your starting >> battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be charging that weak >> battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is nearly dead, the other >> would not start the engine, either, but instead would discharge to equalise >> the voltage with the weak one). >> >> No question (in my mind), the best way is to start from the starting >> battery (hence the name) and have the echo charger making sure that both >> batteries are charged properly. >> >> Some advocate to have the batteries split into ?main? and ?spare?. Many good >> marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your system this >> way, you start on the ?main?, it gets charged by the alternator and the echo >> charger maintains the ?spare?. >> >> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge the >> ?main? battery first and then charge the ?spare? (mine has a selectable >> 50/50 or 90/10 split). >> >> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail?s articles on that >> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >> >> Marek (in Ottawa) >> >> PS. Would ?may the Force (May the 4th) be with you? apply, even if it is a >> day late? I know it is mixing the references... >> >> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> Rich, >> >> Please do send around a diagram. I?m planning to do something similar ? a 27 >> starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). >> >> When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the >> alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing and ?hanging out?, I >> would switch to 1 only. >> >> I have a solar panel and a dual battery regulator, which would connect to >> both. >> >> Two weeks to launch and still much to do?.. >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. Schillay >> Starship Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, NY >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of >> view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but >> start the engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in >> parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the >> alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a Xantrex >> EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged. A simple >> 1/both/2 off switch feeds the house load from either battery and acts as a >> combiner switch if needed. I have a diagram I can send you if you wish. >> >> I have wired many boats this way with no complaints or incidents. >> >> Rich Knowles >> Indigo. LF38 >> Halifax. NS >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 10:47, via CnC-List >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier >> post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) >> >> Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. >> >> Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex Truecharge 40 >> wants all the batteries it charges to be the same since >> its charging schemes apply to all three outputs to the batteries. >> >> Before I pull the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I need >> some list advice: >> >> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for starting >> and using the house batteries for the house. I am aware that >> an AGM can be used for starting as well. >> >> However, if a 'starting' battery is better for this job (CCA, etc.) and the >> AGM is better for its job, how does one use a single charger like mine >> to satisfy different charging schemes? >> >> 2 chargers, a smarter charger that has outputs for different battery >> characteristics, or 'forgetaboutit" and charge both batteries as though >> the were both AGMs? >> >> Charlie Nelson >> Water Phantom >> C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com<http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com<http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/d59a797e/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:03:34 -0400 >> From: David via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: CNC CNC <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> I installed a Balmar Digital Duo. Same as Echo Charger but apparently >> without the BS of a poorly written Manual. >> >> It has been a fool proof system for over 7 years >> >> David F. Risch >> 1981 40-2 >> (401) 419-4650 (cell) >> >> >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:20:12 -0300 >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> From: [email protected] >> >> Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all >> batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've >> converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their >> engines. >> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >> >> Rich >> On May 5, 2014, at 14:52, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Edd, >> >> I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here >> is based on my personal experience and what I have found from others. >> >> The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, >> as well). WM sells it here: >> http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/xantrex--echo-charge-battery-charger?333669; >> >> Defender here: >> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289976&id=93959 >> (for $10 less). >> >> It seems that it is a device that responds to exactly your issue ? how to >> keep a starting battery charged and separated from the house without any >> overly >> complex (and costly) dual battery regulators. >> >> Apparently, there is a caveat with it. You may want to read that rant by >> Main Sail: >> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html. >> >> There is nothing wrong with the device; only with the instruction manual >> that >> comes with it. >> >> Btw. Nothing is cheap (as usual with anything boat related). The Echo >> Charger sells for about $120. maybe I should not use the word ?cheap?, >> because I >> think that this is a cheap insurance. But it is not necessarily a ?low >> cost?. >> After all, you would be spending $120 plus installation, plus rewiring, plus >> some additional incidental costs in order to save a $100 battery or two. >> >> Btw 2. I bet that a few of our (C&C List?s) electrical experts would >> have to say a word or two on the subject. >> >> Marek (in Ottawa). >> >> >> >> >> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> Marek, >> >> >> Very >> interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it? >> >> The previous >> owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up parallel to one >> of >> them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and was dragging the other >> down. >> >> I replaced all >> with two new 31s about 4 years ago. Now one of those two is dead and I don?t >> feel like dumping $300 on a replacement when I?m not running on batteries >> for >> more than a few hours on any given day. >> >> >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. >> Schillay >> Starship >> Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | >> Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, NY >> >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's >> Log >> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Marek Dziedzic <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Edd, >> >> I don?t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as >> this would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major >> disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your starting >> battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be charging that weak >> battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is nearly dead, the other >> would not start the engine, either, but instead would discharge to equalise >> the voltage with the weak one). >> >> No question (in my mind), the best way is to start from the >> starting battery (hence the name) and have the echo charger making sure that >> both batteries are charged properly. >> >> Some advocate to have the batteries split into ?main? and ?spare?. Many >> good marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your system >> this way, you start on the ?main?, it gets charged by the alternator and the >> echo charger maintains the ?spare?. >> >> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge the >> ?main? battery first and then charge the ?spare? (mine has a selectable >> 50/50 >> or 90/10 split). >> >> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail?s articles on that >> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >> >> >> Marek (in Ottawa) >> >> PS. Would ?may the Force (May the 4th) be with you? apply, even if it is >> a day late? I know it is mixing the references... >> >> >> >> >> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> Rich, >> >> >> Please do send >> around a diagram. I?m planning to do something similar ? a 27 starting >> battery >> (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). >> >> When I want to >> start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the alternator will >> charge both batteries. When sailing and ?hanging out?, I would switch to 1 >> only. >> >> I have a solar >> panel and a dual battery regulator, which would connect to both. >> >> Two weeks to >> launch and still much to do?.. >> >> >> >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. >> Schillay >> Starship >> Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | >> Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, >> NY >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's >> Log >> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points >> of view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but >> start the engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in >> parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the >> alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a >> Xantrex >> EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged. A simple >> 1/both/2 off switch feeds the house load from either battery and acts as a >> combiner switch if needed. I have a diagram I can send you if you wish. >> >> >> I have wired many boats this way with no complaints or incidents. >> >> >> Rich Knowles >> Indigo. LF38 >> Halifax. NS >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 10:47, via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> In a pinch, I recently >> bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier post (no marine >> stores open after 6 on Saturdays) >> >> Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM >> battery. >> >> Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex >> Truecharge 40 wants all the batteries it charges to be the same >> since >> its charging schemes apply to all three outputs to the >> batteries. >> >> Before I pull the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I >> need some list advice: >> >> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for >> starting and using the house batteries for the house. I am aware >> that >> an AGM can be used for starting as well. >> >> However, if a 'starting' battery is better for this job (CCA, etc.) >> and the AGM is better for its job, how does one use a single charger >> like >> mine >> to satisfy different charging schemes? >> >> 2 chargers, a smarter charger that has outputs for different battery >> characteristics, or 'forgetaboutit" and charge both batteries as >> though >> the were both AGMs? >> >> Charlie Nelson >> Water Phantom >> C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This >> List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> This >> List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by >> the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the >> C&C Photo >> Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/fe827beb/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CnC-List mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >> ***************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:19:33 -0500 > From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: Adam Marks <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Adam ? read directly below your email below: > > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > >> On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Adam Marks via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails >> everyday >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 5:04 PM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/ccb59b67/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:27:48 -0300 > From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: Frederick G Street <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hope springs.... > > Rich > >> On May 5, 2014, at 18:19, Frederick G Street via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Adam ? read directly below your email below: >> >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Adam Marks via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails >>> everyday >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 5, 2014, at 5:04 PM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/4ba0d440/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 23:12:40 +0000 > From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was > intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to > avoid electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" > <VBG> so he probably has a point. > > > You wrote: >> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 23:32:43 +0000 > From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > you wrote: >> Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails >> everyday > > Well, you can set up your email system so you don't get them on your > telephone. Call me a Luddite, but I think telephones are for talking > and computers are for email. > > On a computer, you can delete emails en-mass. I actually don't think > there are that many emails. Sometimes a thread goes viral, but then you > can sort by subject and move on. > > Wal > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 02:21:30 -0300 > From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], cnc-list Cnc-List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on how > to build a house. > > Rich > > > On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively > obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid electrocution, > don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" <VBG> so he probably has a > point. > > > You wrote: >> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 02:31:09 -0300 > From: dwight via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: "'Rich Knowles'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Stus-List how to build a house > Message-ID: <8D4EB848F0424497B1D07B4306D42018@your4dacd0ea75> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The instructions come with the hammer > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich > Knowles via CnC-List > Sent: May 6, 2014 2:22 AM > To: [email protected]; cnc-list Cnc-List > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > > His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on > how to build a house. > > Rich > > > On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was > intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid > electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" <VBG> so he > probably has a point. > > > You wrote: >> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that > Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 05:07:13 -0300 > From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], cnc-list Cnc-List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On rereading the rant, I disagree with one point: > > The ranter attempts to score a point by noting that the EchoCharge never > stops providing charge current to the auxiliary battery. That voltage is > about 13.0 volts, a perfectly sustainable long-term charge voltage and a very > useful one as it then carries the electrical load of the engine while it is > running; pumps, tachometer, lights etc. If this were not the case, the start > battery would be gradually depleted until the EchoCharge decided it needed > charging, and at what voltage would that be set? Automobiles are fine > examples of how starting batteries are used. They start the car and, once the > engine is running, they carry the entire electrical load and the starter > battery simply recharges and rides around until it is needed for the next > start. > > I have posted my diagram and a discussion to > http://www.sailpower.ca/pleasure-boat-primary-wiring/ > > Rich Knowles > INDIGO LF38 > Halifax, NS. > > > On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively > obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid electrocution, > don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" <VBG> so he probably has a > point. > > > You wrote: >> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 07:52:08 -0400 > From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > Message-ID: > <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71e25a48...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so > here is the Blue Sea version. > http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png > This is basically what I have. > Blue Sea makes a number of battery management panels that are nice if you > don't feel like making your own. There are always a few on FleaBay: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-Parallel-Circuit-Mini-Battery-Switch-Panel-8280-/251514236381?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item3a8f6aaddd&vxp=mtr#ht_2256wt_1073 > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-8686-Panel-Dc-Battery-Management-/281325735773?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item4180520f5d&vxp=mtr#ht_3122wt_1073 > > > > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 06:57:48 -0500 > From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <[email protected]> > To: CnClist <[email protected]> > Subject: Stus-List Lister racing across Gulf of Mexico > Message-ID: > <CANir+yshL=fcyoc85glxjlathbky+7n8re11pv72s2sbjkd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > One of our listers, Steve Thorne, is racing his C&C 34/36 WK "Deja Vu" in > the Regatta al Sol. The race begins inside Pensacola Bay and finishes at > Isla Mujeres, Mexico, a distance of 555 nm. > > He is in the cruising division which starts Wednesday at 1100 CDT. The > racing division starts a day later. > > Interested parties may follow "Deja Vu" at: > > http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1242 > > The regatta website is: http://www.regataalsol.org/ > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/6214eacd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:20:54 -0300 > From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <[email protected]> > To: "dwight" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List how to build a house - hate missing a good rant > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I hate it when I miss a good rant. Please change subject line when > ranting so that we can all see and appreciate a rant! > > Many subjects are of lesser interest to me so I delete entire batches of > emails based on subject line. > > Dang - a good rant missed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > dwight via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:31 AM > To: 'Rich Knowles'; [email protected] > Subject: Stus-List how to build a house > > The instructions come with the hammer > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich > Knowles via CnC-List > Sent: May 6, 2014 2:22 AM > To: [email protected]; cnc-list Cnc-List > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > > His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions > on how to build a house. > > Rich > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:25:14 -0300 > From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: "Hoyt, Mike" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List how to build a house - hate missing a good rant > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The noted rant was on another site and referred to in our battery discussion. > You may have deleted the reference:) > > Rich > >> On May 6, 2014, at 9:20, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I hate it when I miss a good rant. Please change subject line when >> ranting so that we can all see and appreciate a rant! >> >> Many subjects are of lesser interest to me so I delete entire batches of >> emails based on subject line. >> >> Dang - a good rant missed. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> dwight via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:31 AM >> To: 'Rich Knowles'; [email protected] >> Subject: Stus-List how to build a house >> >> The instructions come with the hammer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich >> Knowles via CnC-List >> Sent: May 6, 2014 2:22 AM >> To: [email protected]; cnc-list Cnc-List >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions >> on how to build a house. >> >> Rich >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:07:19 -0400 > From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: "Dennis C." <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Lister racing across Gulf of Mexico > Message-ID: > <CAEL16P_R3umbTC5MYWdunFWdHxYLUAuL27rjBDpb-oLt_-k=j...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Very cool! Best of luck. > > Joel > > On Tuesday, May 6, 2014, Dennis C. via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> One of our listers, Steve Thorne, is racing his C&C 34/36 WK "Deja Vu" in >> the Regatta al Sol. The race begins inside Pensacola Bay and finishes at >> Isla Mujeres, Mexico, a distance of 555 nm. >> >> He is in the cruising division which starts Wednesday at 1100 CDT. The >> racing division starts a day later. >> >> Interested parties may follow "Deja Vu" at: >> >> http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1242 >> >> The regatta website is: http://www.regataalsol.org/ >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/b8790b9d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 08:53:21 -0500 > From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: "Della Barba, Joe" <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > And if anyone?s interested, I?ve got a spare Blue Sea 8280 panel I?d sell you > for a very reasonable price. > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > >> On May 6, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so >> here is the Blue Sea version. >> http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png >> This is basically what I have. >> Blue Sea makes a number of battery management panels that are nice if you >> don't feel like making your own. There are always a few on FleaBay: >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-Parallel-Circuit-Mini-Battery-Switch-Panel-8280-/251514236381?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item3a8f6aaddd&vxp=mtr#ht_2256wt_1073 >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-8686-Panel-Dc-Battery-Management-/281325735773?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item4180520f5d&vxp=mtr#ht_3122wt_1073 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Della Barba >> Coquina > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/dd6d18f6/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 10:11:08 -0400 > From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > ?and that price is?.? > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log > >> On May 6, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> And if anyone?s interested, I?ve got a spare Blue Sea 8280 panel I?d sell >> you for a very reasonable price. >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >> >>> On May 6, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so >>> here is the Blue Sea version. >>> http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png >>> This is basically what I have. >>> Blue Sea makes a number of battery management panels that are nice if you >>> don't feel like making your own. There are always a few on FleaBay: >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-Parallel-Circuit-Mini-Battery-Switch-Panel-8280-/251514236381?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item3a8f6aaddd&vxp=mtr#ht_2256wt_1073 >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-8686-Panel-Dc-Battery-Management-/281325735773?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item4180520f5d&vxp=mtr#ht_3122wt_1073 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Della Barba >>> Coquina >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/6e45e1ae/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > [email protected] > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 18 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected]
