Be sure to check out the. Catamaran Marina in the Rio. Nice folks. Owner is a wonderful old curmudgeon named Kevin. I can pass along some names of god guys for mechanical work if you like.
Cheers Andy Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On May 6, 2014, at 17:36, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Guys the race starts tomorrow. We finished a practice round today on > Pensacola Bay using the 155 / drifter / asym etc all while the Blue Angles > were practicing right above us for their Summer shows. Was surreal. > > Will do our best represent the C&C nation. > > After the race we will head south to Belize then onto Rio Dulce. > > OK....here we go! > > Steve > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 6, 2014, at 9:11 AM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 (Adam Marks via CnC-List) >> 2. Re: CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >> (Frederick G Street via CnC-List) >> 3. Re: CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >> (Rich Knowles via CnC-List) >> 4. 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Re: Mixed batteries (Edd Schillay via CnC-List) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:07:10 -0400 >> From: Adam Marks via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails >> everyday >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 5:04 PM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Mixed batteries (Rich Knowles via CnC-List) >>> 2. Re: Mixed batteries (Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List) >>> 3. Re: Mixed batteries (David via CnC-List) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:20:12 -0300 >>> From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>> To: Marek Dziedzic <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all >>> batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've >>> converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their >>> engines. >>> >>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >>> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >>> >>> Rich >>> >>>> On May 5, 2014, at 14:52, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Edd, >>>> >>>> I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here >>>> is based on my personal experience and what I have found from others. >>>> >>>> The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like >>>> that, as well). WM sells it here: >>>> http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/xantrex--echo-charge-battery-charger?333669; >>>> Defender here: >>>> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289976&id=93959 >>>> (for $10 less). >>>> >>>> It seems that it is a device that responds to exactly your issue ? how to >>>> keep a starting battery charged and separated from the house without any >>>> overly complex (and costly) dual battery regulators. >>>> >>>> Apparently, there is a caveat with it. You may want to read that rant by >>>> Main Sail: >>>> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html. >>>> There is nothing wrong with the device; only with the instruction manual >>>> that comes with it. >>>> >>>> Btw. Nothing is cheap (as usual with anything boat related). The Echo >>>> Charger sells for about $120. maybe I should not use the word ?cheap?, >>>> because I think that this is a cheap insurance. But it is not necessarily >>>> a ?low cost?. After all, you would be spending $120 plus installation, >>>> plus rewiring, plus some additional incidental costs in order to save a >>>> $100 battery or two. >>>> >>>> Btw 2. I bet that a few of our (C&C List?s) electrical experts would have >>>> to say a word or two on the subject. >>>> >>>> Marek (in Ottawa). >>>> >>>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>>> >>>> Marek, >>>> >>>> Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect >>>> it? >>>> >>>> The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up >>>> parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and >>>> was dragging the other down. >>>> >>>> I replaced all with two new 31s about 4 years ago. Now one of those two is >>>> dead and I don?t feel like dumping $300 on a replacement when I?m not >>>> running on batteries for more than a few hours on any given day. >>>> >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> Edd >>>> >>>> >>>> Edd M. Schillay >>>> Starship Enterprise >>>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>>> City Island, NY >>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Marek Dziedzic <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Edd, >>>>> >>>>> I don?t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as >>>>> this would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some >>>>> major disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your >>>>> starting battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be >>>>> charging that weak battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is >>>>> nearly dead, the other would not start the engine, either, but instead >>>>> would discharge to equalise the voltage with the weak one). >>>>> >>>>> No question (in my mind), the best way is to start from the starting >>>>> battery (hence the name) and have the echo charger making sure that both >>>>> batteries are charged properly. >>>>> >>>>> Some advocate to have the batteries split into ?main? and ?spare?. Many >>>>> good marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your >>>>> system this way, you start on the ?main?, it gets charged by the >>>>> alternator and the echo charger maintains the ?spare?. >>>>> >>>>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>>>> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge >>>>> the ?main? battery first and then charge the ?spare? (mine has a >>>>> selectable 50/50 or 90/10 split). >>>>> >>>>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail?s articles on that >>>>> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >>>>> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >>>>> >>>>> Marek (in Ottawa) >>>>> >>>>> PS. Would ?may the Force (May the 4th) be with you? apply, even if it is >>>>> a day late? I know it is mixing the references... >>>>> >>>>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>>>> >>>>> Rich, >>>>> >>>>> Please do send around a diagram. I?m planning to do something similar ? a >>>>> 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). >>>>> >>>>> When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way >>>>> the alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing and ?hanging >>>>> out?, I would switch to 1 only. >>>>> >>>>> I have a solar panel and a dual battery regulator, which would connect to >>>>> both. >>>>> >>>>> Two weeks to launch and still much to do?.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> >>>>> Edd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Edd M. Schillay >>>>> Starship Enterprise >>>>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>>>> City Island, NY >>>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >>>>> >>>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points >>>>>> of view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing >>>>>> else but start the engine, and a house battery that can be several >>>>>> batteries in parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be >>>>>> identical. I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a >>>>>> device such as a Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the >>>>>> start battery charged. A simple 1/both/2 off switch feeds the house load >>>>>> from either battery and acts as a combiner switch if needed. I have a >>>>>> diagram I can send you if you wish. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have wired many boats this way with no complaints or incidents. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rich Knowles >>>>>> Indigo. LF38 >>>>>> Halifax. NS >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:47, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my >>>>>>> earlier post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex Truecharge >>>>>>> 40 wants all the batteries it charges to be the same since >>>>>>> its charging schemes apply to all three outputs to the batteries. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before I pull the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I >>>>>>> need some list advice: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for >>>>>>> starting and using the house batteries for the house. I am aware that >>>>>>> an AGM can be used for starting as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, if a 'starting' battery is better for this job (CCA, etc.) and >>>>>>> the AGM is better for its job, how does one use a single charger like >>>>>>> mine >>>>>>> to satisfy different charging schemes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 chargers, a smarter charger that has outputs for different battery >>>>>>> characteristics, or 'forgetaboutit" and charge both batteries as though >>>>>>> the were both AGMs? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Charlie Nelson >>>>>>> Water Phantom >>>>>>> C&C 36 XL/kcb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> [email protected] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> [email protected] >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/603aa11d/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:45:06 -0400 >>> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> Message-ID: >>> <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71e25a48...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> There are any number of ways to wire a boat. I have changed a few things, >>> but I have always stuck with the principle that I can turn every light on, >>> go ashore for a few days, and then come back to a dead house battery and >>> hit the starter button and have the engine start right up and charge both >>> banks without having to set any switches. The last time we were stuck with >>> a dead battery was during hurricane Charlie and that was because one of >>> them cracked and the acid leaked out. >>> I?ll post how mine are wired tonight sometime. >>> Joe Della Barba >>> Coquina >>> C&C 35 MK I >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich >>> Knowles via CnC-List >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:20 PM >>> To: Marek Dziedzic; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> >>> Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all >>> batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've >>> converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their >>> engines. >>> >>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >>> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 14:52, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Edd, >>> >>> I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here >>> is based on my personal experience and what I have found from others. >>> >>> The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, >>> as well). WM sells it here: >>> http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/xantrex--echo-charge-battery-charger?333669; >>> Defender here: >>> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289976&id=93959 >>> (for $10 less). >>> >>> It seems that it is a device that responds to exactly your issue ? how to >>> keep a starting battery charged and separated from the house without any >>> overly complex (and costly) dual battery regulators. >>> >>> Apparently, there is a caveat with it. You may want to read that rant by >>> Main Sail: >>> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html. >>> There is nothing wrong with the device; only with the instruction manual >>> that comes with it. >>> >>> Btw. Nothing is cheap (as usual with anything boat related). The Echo >>> Charger sells for about $120. maybe I should not use the word ?cheap?, >>> because I think that this is a cheap insurance. But it is not necessarily a >>> ?low cost?. After all, you would be spending $120 plus installation, plus >>> rewiring, plus some additional incidental costs in order to save a $100 >>> battery or two. >>> >>> Btw 2. I bet that a few of our (C&C List?s) electrical experts would have >>> to say a word or two on the subject. >>> >>> Marek (in Ottawa). >>> >>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> >>> Marek, >>> >>> Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect >>> it? >>> >>> The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up >>> parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and was >>> dragging the other down. >>> >>> I replaced all with two new 31s about 4 years ago. Now one of those two is >>> dead and I don?t feel like dumping $300 on a replacement when I?m not >>> running on batteries for more than a few hours on any given day. >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Edd >>> >>> >>> Edd M. Schillay >>> Starship Enterprise >>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>> City Island, NY >>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Marek Dziedzic >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Edd, >>> >>> I don?t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this >>> would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major >>> disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your starting >>> battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be charging that >>> weak battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is nearly dead, the >>> other would not start the engine, either, but instead would discharge to >>> equalise the voltage with the weak one). >>> >>> No question (in my mind), the best way is to start from the starting >>> battery (hence the name) and have the echo charger making sure that both >>> batteries are charged properly. >>> >>> Some advocate to have the batteries split into ?main? and ?spare?. Many >>> good marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your >>> system this way, you start on the ?main?, it gets charged by the alternator >>> and the echo charger maintains the ?spare?. >>> >>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge the >>> ?main? battery first and then charge the ?spare? (mine has a selectable >>> 50/50 or 90/10 split). >>> >>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail?s articles on that >>> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >>> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >>> >>> Marek (in Ottawa) >>> >>> PS. Would ?may the Force (May the 4th) be with you? apply, even if it is a >>> day late? I know it is mixing the references... >>> >>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> >>> Rich, >>> >>> Please do send around a diagram. I?m planning to do something similar ? a >>> 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). >>> >>> When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the >>> alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing and ?hanging out?, I >>> would switch to 1 only. >>> >>> I have a solar panel and a dual battery regulator, which would connect to >>> both. >>> >>> Two weeks to launch and still much to do?.. >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Edd >>> >>> >>> Edd M. Schillay >>> Starship Enterprise >>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>> City Island, NY >>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of >>> view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but >>> start the engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in >>> parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the >>> alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a Xantrex >>> EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged. A simple >>> 1/both/2 off switch feeds the house load from either battery and acts as a >>> combiner switch if needed. I have a diagram I can send you if you wish. >>> >>> I have wired many boats this way with no complaints or incidents. >>> >>> Rich Knowles >>> Indigo. LF38 >>> Halifax. NS >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:47, via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my >>> earlier post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) >>> >>> Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. >>> >>> Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex Truecharge 40 >>> wants all the batteries it charges to be the same since >>> its charging schemes apply to all three outputs to the batteries. >>> >>> Before I pull the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I need >>> some list advice: >>> >>> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for >>> starting and using the house batteries for the house. I am aware that >>> an AGM can be used for starting as well. >>> >>> However, if a 'starting' battery is better for this job (CCA, etc.) and the >>> AGM is better for its job, how does one use a single charger like mine >>> to satisfy different charging schemes? >>> >>> 2 chargers, a smarter charger that has outputs for different battery >>> characteristics, or 'forgetaboutit" and charge both batteries as though >>> the were both AGMs? >>> >>> Charlie Nelson >>> Water Phantom >>> C&C 36 XL/kcb >>> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com<http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com<http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/d59a797e/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:03:34 -0400 >>> From: David via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>> To: CNC CNC <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> I installed a Balmar Digital Duo. Same as Echo Charger but apparently >>> without the BS of a poorly written Manual. >>> >>> It has been a fool proof system for over 7 years >>> >>> David F. Risch >>> 1981 40-2 >>> (401) 419-4650 (cell) >>> >>> >>> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:20:12 -0300 >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> From: [email protected] >>> >>> Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all >>> batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've >>> converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their >>> engines. >>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >>> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >>> >>> Rich >>> On May 5, 2014, at 14:52, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Edd, >>> >>> I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here >>> is based on my personal experience and what I have found from others. >>> >>> The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, >>> as well). WM sells it here: >>> http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/xantrex--echo-charge-battery-charger?333669; >>> >>> Defender here: >>> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289976&id=93959 >>> (for $10 less). >>> >>> It seems that it is a device that responds to exactly your issue ? how to >>> keep a starting battery charged and separated from the house without any >>> overly >>> complex (and costly) dual battery regulators. >>> >>> Apparently, there is a caveat with it. You may want to read that rant by >>> Main Sail: >>> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html. >>> >>> There is nothing wrong with the device; only with the instruction manual >>> that >>> comes with it. >>> >>> Btw. Nothing is cheap (as usual with anything boat related). The Echo >>> Charger sells for about $120. maybe I should not use the word ?cheap?, >>> because I >>> think that this is a cheap insurance. But it is not necessarily a ?low >>> cost?. >>> After all, you would be spending $120 plus installation, plus rewiring, >>> plus >>> some additional incidental costs in order to save a $100 battery or two. >>> >>> Btw 2. I bet that a few of our (C&C List?s) electrical experts would >>> have to say a word or two on the subject. >>> >>> Marek (in Ottawa). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> >>> Marek, >>> >>> >>> Very >>> interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it? >>> >>> The previous >>> owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up parallel to >>> one of >>> them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and was dragging the other >>> down. >>> >>> I replaced all >>> with two new 31s about 4 years ago. Now one of those two is dead and I >>> don?t >>> feel like dumping $300 on a replacement when I?m not running on batteries >>> for >>> more than a few hours on any given day. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Edd >>> >>> >>> Edd M. >>> Schillay >>> Starship >>> Enterprise >>> C&C 37+ | >>> Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>> City Island, NY >>> >>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's >>> Log >>> >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Marek Dziedzic <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Edd, >>> >>> I don?t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as >>> this would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major >>> disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your starting >>> battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be charging that >>> weak >>> battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is nearly dead, the other >>> would not start the engine, either, but instead would discharge to equalise >>> the voltage with the weak one). >>> >>> No question (in my mind), the best way is to start from the >>> starting battery (hence the name) and have the echo charger making sure >>> that >>> both batteries are charged properly. >>> >>> Some advocate to have the batteries split into ?main? and ?spare?. Many >>> good marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your >>> system >>> this way, you start on the ?main?, it gets charged by the alternator and >>> the >>> echo charger maintains the ?spare?. >>> >>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge the >>> ?main? battery first and then charge the ?spare? (mine has a selectable >>> 50/50 >>> or 90/10 split). >>> >>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail?s articles on that >>> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >>> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >>> >>> >>> Marek (in Ottawa) >>> >>> PS. Would ?may the Force (May the 4th) be with you? apply, even if it is >>> a day late? I know it is mixing the references... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> >>> Rich, >>> >>> >>> Please do send >>> around a diagram. I?m planning to do something similar ? a 27 starting >>> battery >>> (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). >>> >>> When I want to >>> start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the alternator will >>> charge both batteries. When sailing and ?hanging out?, I would switch to 1 >>> only. >>> >>> I have a solar >>> panel and a dual battery regulator, which would connect to both. >>> >>> Two weeks to >>> launch and still much to do?.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Edd >>> >>> >>> Edd M. >>> Schillay >>> Starship >>> Enterprise >>> C&C 37+ | >>> Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>> City Island, >>> NY >>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's >>> Log >>> >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points >>> of view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but >>> start the engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in >>> parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the >>> alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a >>> Xantrex >>> EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged. A simple >>> 1/both/2 off switch feeds the house load from either battery and acts as a >>> combiner switch if needed. I have a diagram I can send you if you wish. >>> >>> >>> I have wired many boats this way with no complaints or incidents. >>> >>> >>> Rich Knowles >>> Indigo. LF38 >>> Halifax. NS >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:47, via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> In a pinch, I recently >>> bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier post (no marine >>> stores open after 6 on Saturdays) >>> >>> Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM >>> battery. >>> >>> Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex >>> Truecharge 40 wants all the batteries it charges to be the same >>> since >>> its charging schemes apply to all three outputs to the >>> batteries. >>> >>> Before I pull the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I >>> need some list advice: >>> >>> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for >>> starting and using the house batteries for the house. I am aware >>> that >>> an AGM can be used for starting as well. >>> >>> However, if a 'starting' battery is better for this job (CCA, etc.) >>> and the AGM is better for its job, how does one use a single charger >>> like >>> mine >>> to satisfy different charging schemes? >>> >>> 2 chargers, a smarter charger that has outputs for different battery >>> characteristics, or 'forgetaboutit" and charge both batteries as >>> though >>> the were both AGMs? >>> >>> Charlie Nelson >>> Water Phantom >>> C&C 36 XL/kcb >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This >>> List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This >>> List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by >>> the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the >>> C&C Photo >>> Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/fe827beb/attachment.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CnC-List mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >>> ***************************************** >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:19:33 -0500 >> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: Adam Marks <[email protected]>, [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Adam ? read directly below your email below: >> >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Adam Marks via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails >>> everyday >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 5, 2014, at 5:04 PM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/ccb59b67/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:27:48 -0300 >> From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: Frederick G Street <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hope springs.... >> >> Rich >> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 18:19, Frederick G Street via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Adam ? read directly below your email below: >>> >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >>> >>>> On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Adam Marks via CnC-List >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails >>>> everyday >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 5:04 PM, via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140505/4ba0d440/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 23:12:40 +0000 >> From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was >> intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to >> avoid electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" >> <VBG> so he probably has a point. >> >> >> You wrote: >>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >>> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 23:32:43 +0000 >> From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17 >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> you wrote: >>> Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails >>> everyday >> >> Well, you can set up your email system so you don't get them on your >> telephone. Call me a Luddite, but I think telephones are for talking >> and computers are for email. >> >> On a computer, you can delete emails en-mass. I actually don't think >> there are that many emails. Sometimes a thread goes viral, but then you >> can sort by subject and move on. >> >> Wal >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 02:21:30 -0300 >> From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected], cnc-list Cnc-List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on >> how to build a house. >> >> Rich >> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was >> intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid >> electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" <VBG> so he >> probably has a point. >> >> >> You wrote: >>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >>> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 02:31:09 -0300 >> From: dwight via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: "'Rich Knowles'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >> Subject: Stus-List how to build a house >> Message-ID: <8D4EB848F0424497B1D07B4306D42018@your4dacd0ea75> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> The instructions come with the hammer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich >> Knowles via CnC-List >> Sent: May 6, 2014 2:22 AM >> To: [email protected]; cnc-list Cnc-List >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on >> how to build a house. >> >> Rich >> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was >> intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid >> electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" <VBG> so he >> probably has a point. >> >> >> You wrote: >>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 05:07:13 -0300 >> From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected], cnc-list Cnc-List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On rereading the rant, I disagree with one point: >> >> The ranter attempts to score a point by noting that the EchoCharge never >> stops providing charge current to the auxiliary battery. That voltage is >> about 13.0 volts, a perfectly sustainable long-term charge voltage and a >> very useful one as it then carries the electrical load of the engine while >> it is running; pumps, tachometer, lights etc. If this were not the case, the >> start battery would be gradually depleted until the EchoCharge decided it >> needed charging, and at what voltage would that be set? Automobiles are fine >> examples of how starting batteries are used. They start the car and, once >> the engine is running, they carry the entire electrical load and the starter >> battery simply recharges and rides around until it is needed for the next >> start. >> >> I have posted my diagram and a discussion to >> http://www.sailpower.ca/pleasure-boat-primary-wiring/ >> >> Rich Knowles >> INDIGO LF38 >> Halifax, NS. >> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was >> intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid >> electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" <VBG> so he >> probably has a point. >> >> >> You wrote: >>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that >>> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 07:52:08 -0400 >> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: >> <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71e25a48...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so >> here is the Blue Sea version. >> http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png >> This is basically what I have. >> Blue Sea makes a number of battery management panels that are nice if you >> don't feel like making your own. There are always a few on FleaBay: >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-Parallel-Circuit-Mini-Battery-Switch-Panel-8280-/251514236381?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item3a8f6aaddd&vxp=mtr#ht_2256wt_1073 >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-8686-Panel-Dc-Battery-Management-/281325735773?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item4180520f5d&vxp=mtr#ht_3122wt_1073 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Della Barba >> Coquina >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 06:57:48 -0500 >> From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <[email protected]> >> To: CnClist <[email protected]> >> Subject: Stus-List Lister racing across Gulf of Mexico >> Message-ID: >> <CANir+yshL=fcyoc85glxjlathbky+7n8re11pv72s2sbjkd...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> One of our listers, Steve Thorne, is racing his C&C 34/36 WK "Deja Vu" in >> the Regatta al Sol. The race begins inside Pensacola Bay and finishes at >> Isla Mujeres, Mexico, a distance of 555 nm. >> >> He is in the cruising division which starts Wednesday at 1100 CDT. The >> racing division starts a day later. >> >> Interested parties may follow "Deja Vu" at: >> >> http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1242 >> >> The regatta website is: http://www.regataalsol.org/ >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/6214eacd/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:20:54 -0300 >> From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <[email protected]> >> To: "dwight" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List how to build a house - hate missing a good rant >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I hate it when I miss a good rant. Please change subject line when >> ranting so that we can all see and appreciate a rant! >> >> Many subjects are of lesser interest to me so I delete entire batches of >> emails based on subject line. >> >> Dang - a good rant missed. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> dwight via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:31 AM >> To: 'Rich Knowles'; [email protected] >> Subject: Stus-List how to build a house >> >> The instructions come with the hammer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich >> Knowles via CnC-List >> Sent: May 6, 2014 2:22 AM >> To: [email protected]; cnc-list Cnc-List >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> >> His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions >> on how to build a house. >> >> Rich >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:25:14 -0300 >> From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: "Hoyt, Mike" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List how to build a house - hate missing a good rant >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> The noted rant was on another site and referred to in our battery >> discussion. You may have deleted the reference:) >> >> Rich >> >>> On May 6, 2014, at 9:20, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I hate it when I miss a good rant. Please change subject line when >>> ranting so that we can all see and appreciate a rant! >>> >>> Many subjects are of lesser interest to me so I delete entire batches of >>> emails based on subject line. >>> >>> Dang - a good rant missed. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> dwight via CnC-List >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:31 AM >>> To: 'Rich Knowles'; [email protected] >>> Subject: Stus-List how to build a house >>> >>> The instructions come with the hammer >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich >>> Knowles via CnC-List >>> Sent: May 6, 2014 2:22 AM >>> To: [email protected]; cnc-list Cnc-List >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>> >>> His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions >>> on how to build a house. >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:07:19 -0400 >> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: "Dennis C." <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Lister racing across Gulf of Mexico >> Message-ID: >> <CAEL16P_R3umbTC5MYWdunFWdHxYLUAuL27rjBDpb-oLt_-k=j...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Very cool! Best of luck. >> >> Joel >> >> On Tuesday, May 6, 2014, Dennis C. via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> One of our listers, Steve Thorne, is racing his C&C 34/36 WK "Deja Vu" in >>> the Regatta al Sol. The race begins inside Pensacola Bay and finishes at >>> Isla Mujeres, Mexico, a distance of 555 nm. >>> >>> He is in the cruising division which starts Wednesday at 1100 CDT. The >>> racing division starts a day later. >>> >>> Interested parties may follow "Deja Vu" at: >>> >>> http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPosDisplay.aspx?FeedID=1242 >>> >>> The regatta website is: http://www.regataalsol.org/ >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 >>> Mandeville, LA >>> >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/b8790b9d/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 08:53:21 -0500 >> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: "Della Barba, Joe" <[email protected]>, >> [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> And if anyone?s interested, I?ve got a spare Blue Sea 8280 panel I?d sell >> you for a very reasonable price. >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >> >>> On May 6, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so >>> here is the Blue Sea version. >>> http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png >>> This is basically what I have. >>> Blue Sea makes a number of battery management panels that are nice if you >>> don't feel like making your own. There are always a few on FleaBay: >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-Parallel-Circuit-Mini-Battery-Switch-Panel-8280-/251514236381?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item3a8f6aaddd&vxp=mtr#ht_2256wt_1073 >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-8686-Panel-Dc-Battery-Management-/281325735773?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item4180520f5d&vxp=mtr#ht_3122wt_1073 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Della Barba >>> Coquina >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/dd6d18f6/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 10:11:08 -0400 >> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> ?and that price is?.? >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. Schillay >> Starship Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, NY >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >> >>> On May 6, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> And if anyone?s interested, I?ve got a spare Blue Sea 8280 panel I?d sell >>> you for a very reasonable price. >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >>> >>>> On May 6, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so >>>> here is the Blue Sea version. >>>> http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png >>>> This is basically what I have. >>>> Blue Sea makes a number of battery management panels that are nice if you >>>> don't feel like making your own. There are always a few on FleaBay: >>>> >>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-Parallel-Circuit-Mini-Battery-Switch-Panel-8280-/251514236381?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item3a8f6aaddd&vxp=mtr#ht_2256wt_1073 >>>> >>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Sea-8686-Panel-Dc-Battery-Management-/281325735773?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item4180520f5d&vxp=mtr#ht_3122wt_1073 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Della Barba >>>> Coquina >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140506/6e45e1ae/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CnC-List mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 18 >> ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected]
