Dave, Owning an older 38, I can't comment on the attributes or value of the 37+. Other than to say I'm envious of the aft cabin and shower that don't fit into my IOR hull. But I can comment on two other areas.
First, you estimated $20k to reduce the draft of the boat. I reduced the draft of IMZADI from 6'1" to 5'3". I used Mars Metal. They suggested cutting off the original keel to the desired draft and adding a torpedo bulb. Since they made the original keel and had the profile information, they only needed to know how much lead was removed so they could make the the torpedo the proper size to retain the original stability of the boat. We removed the bottom 10" of the keel, about 800#, with a Sawzall. The new bulb was about 1150#, 5' long, 12" high, and 18-24" wide and I'd through bolted around the original keel. Cost was around $3600 for the bulb and shipping, though shipping was probably cheap because they sent the bulb to the boatyard on the back of a load of new keels going to Beneteau in South Carolina. Yard fees for the installation were around $500. The boat was out of the water for other stuff, so I have not included the haul out in the yard fees. My other area of expertise/experience is the engine. Before retirement I was a certified technician and trainer for both Cummins and Yanmar. Having replaced the engine on Imzadi in 2010, I also have experience with Kubota based engines from Westerbeke/Universal and Beta. I chose a 36 hp Universal M35B for Imzadi, which weighs 15,000#. Cost was just over $7100 including shipping, and installation labor was around $1500. Haul out and storage while the work was done was another $700. I've not included the cost for the new fuel tank, nor the cost for completely replacing the cobbled up exhaust system the PO had done (and which caused the demise of the previous engine). I don't know what engine is in the boat now, but replacing the current engine with a new bobtail version (reuse the existing transmission) of the same engine - even a high priced Yanmar - should be well under $10k. That said, Diesel engines are terribly tough things. Someone suggested the seals would be shot from storage. Nitrile and neoprene seals wear out, not dry out. And you mentioned the engine may have been overheated. How? Rerunning hot enough to set off the alarm (say 220 degrees) because of pushing hard or a pressure leak should have little or no impact as long as the engine was allowed to cool off after the alarm sounded. Overheating because of a total loss of coolant (warped cylinder head) or a lack of oil (rings, bearings, and cylinder walls/liners shot) are another matter. I would also anticipate some internal corrosion on the injectors, valves, and cylinder walls if the engine was not properly fogged and prepped for long term storage, which may or may not be an issue. Have a good diesel specialist take a look at the engine and be sure you have it run in a sea trial as part of the survey. Then evaluate whether the engine is an issue or just a maintenance item. Who knows, maybe you can get the anticipated maintenance cost as a price reduction, or use it as a reason to walk away if you are not happy with the results. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:41, David Roberts via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thanks for all the GREAT input. This list is by far the best email list I > have ever read. I look forward to being a real member by owning a C&C. Anyhow > a few corrections to my post. > > 1. The boat is owned by the dealer they took it on trade > 2. They did replace the floor boards, or at least refinish them. I know this > because it is clear that the floor boards in the aft cabin are a much darker > color so I inquired. That is when I found out about the water. And yes the > boat was left uncovered with mast up for years. They just covered it for the > first time last year. They dropped the mast, stored it, and shrink wrapped > the boat. > 3. We are not up 18’ on Lake Michigan but 18” still enough for this boat to > get into most harbors but not all. Just last year it would have been a > problem. I am hopping we are starting our tread up. I don’t want to be > calling Mars to reduce the keel in a few years. That is a $20k job. > > I just yesterday spoke with the last owner on the phone. A friend of mine > knows him and put us in touch. I am going to meet him this weekend because he > is crewing on a boat that is doing a port to port this weekend and we are > doing that race as well. NICE guy on the phone. And yes they were not serious > racers. He did say that if I were going to race the boat I would need a new > main. One of the #2’s was near new. A new main for my C30 is $1,500 on the > low end, about the same for the #3. I know this because I just bought new > sail last year. > > Jake: $45k to $55k is exactly what I was thinking. > A friend of mine is close friends with a broker and he had him check on boats > sold in the past 3 years. The closest one to a 1989 std. rig was a 1991 std. > rig wing. It looked like it was in nice condition and it sold for $60K. That > was two years ago. Not one on Lake Michigan. There were more expensive boats > but they were really nice, new interior, new sail, new paint jobs, i.e. like > new. My wife would be more interested in a wing, I like the fin for > performance, I am concerned if the lake levels head south. > > Chuck: A roller furling genneker is a great idea for light air. I wonder if I > can get away with that in the JAM fleet. I am almost certain that our 1st > place JAM boat was flying very light large head sail that he ran up the luff > track. It was like 3 or 4 knots and we were barley moving and he was just > pulling away. > > Thanks so much for your help. > > David Roberts > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > [email protected] > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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