My experience was the same. I picked the surveyor and made sure that he worked for me (not the boatyard or the seller). In fact I picked two. The first time, the surveyor called me from the boat (he did not even wait until he got home) at told me to "run as quickly as I can"; so I did. The second time, a different surveyor (different boat, different place) did a very thorough survey, pointed a few things that may require attention, put together a 25 page report with a ton of pictures (including things that needed attention) and in a conversation recommended to buy. So I did (sight unseen). I am glad that I did (both buy the boat and hire the surveyor).
That Accredited marine surveyor association is a good place to start (http://www.marinesurvey.org/) Marek -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:36 PM To: Jon Tasker; [email protected] Subject: Stus-List Overpriced Jon, Maybe the difference in our experiences buying a boat was that you said you received a survey "from a recommended surveyor". Recommended by whom....the seller's broker? My surveyor was 'not recommended'......I chose him myself. When I notified the seller's broker, the broker said to me on the telephone "Oh no, tell me I don't have to deal with Peter K____th, he can pick pepper out of fly sh_t". I chose the surveyor myself from the US Accredited Marine Surveyors (probably got their association name wrong, but you all know what I am talking about) . I had a completely different experience than you did, maybe because my surveyor 'did not have the seller's interest in mind'. My surveyor had my interests in mind. I made sure of that! Sounds like yours did not. Sorry to hear that, you will know better next time around. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/10/27 10:55 PM, Jon Tasker via CnC-List wrote: > I also bought my boat in Racine and got a multi-page report from the recommended surveyor. The survey was dishonest from start to finish, had the seller's interest in mind and future survey business. Had it been honest, I could have gotten another $10,000 off the sell price. The moral of the story is do your own survey. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 27, 2014, at 12:00 PM,[email protected] wrote: >> >> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Overpriced? (Robert Abbott) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:40:26 -0300 >> From: Robert Abbott<[email protected]> >> To: Brent Driedger<[email protected]>,"[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Stus-List Overpriced? >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> There is a buyer for everything, at the right price. >> >> When we were looking for a boat in 2005-06, there were three (3) C&C >> 32's for sale here in Halifax, N.S.......looked at them all. Looked at >> a C&C 30 MKI and Mirage 32 here as well. >> >> Ended up buying our boat from Racine Riverside Marina, Racine, >> Wisconsin.....one owner, professionally maintained, adequately equipped, >> fresh water boat. The purchase price, exchange rate and transportation >> cost to truck it here cost us approx. $8,000 less than what we would >> have paid for any of the local boats. We also got a new 10' Zodiac >> thrown in. And I have sold 3 sails that came with the boat that I will >> never use. >> >> I never traveled to Racine to view the boat.....paid a surveyor about >> $350 USD for a 23 page report....that was the selling point, the survey. >> I would do that no matter where I was buying a boat. >> >> I understand many buyers would never do what we did, buy a boat unseen >> so far away. Would I do it again, absolutely. >> >> I wish this 32 seller well.....if he gets close to his asking price, it >> bodes well for all us C&C owners. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2014/10/26 10:54 PM, Brent Driedger wrote: >>> I'll chime in on this as Bowline Yachts was the broker for my boat backwhen I bought it and I know the owner well. At first glance the prices they ask seem high and become the frequent talk at the club but with respect to the company's owner I'll provide a little insight to explain thoughnot necessarily justify the prices. >>> In central Canada here there is not much option for buying used sailboats. The market is not saturated by any means and the stock of quality used boats available is thin. This usually means pay what the owner wants oroutsource to the south and pay for exchange, shipping, border brokerage, flights to and from the location, permits and lots of survey charges. When you total it all up the prices end up being fairly close to what Bowline typically charges. Then add to that there is the comfort level of knowing the history of the local boats, their owners and background. Furtherto that, our season is short so all of these boats are out of water for 7 months of the year. The boats are in fresh water the remaining 5 and onLake of the Woods there's little swell to speak of even in storms. The biggest hazard is grounding and unfortunately most sailboats there have touched bottom. The remainder will some day. The rigs although 30 plus years old show no corrosion or acid rain pitting. Gener >> ally outside of wet decks or blisters, a 35 year old boat is in 20 year old condition if it was decently maintained. >>> I agree that $65000 for an 84 32 is very high but the price will appealto those who want a quick painless purchase with background confidence of a quality fresh water boat. It may include a slip too which at my harbour is impossible to get now. I would expect a fair bit of negotiation will bring it closer to reality as well. >>> Cheers >>> >>> Brent Driedger >>> C&C 27v >>> Lake Winnipeg >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> While I think this appears to be a nicely equipped and well maintainedboat, I think the owner is overly optimistic with his asking price. We bought our boat in 2006 for half that price and it was a well maintained,fresh water, one owner boat. >>>> >>>> Sure would like to hear any and all comments on this! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.bowlineyachts.ca/sailboats/1984candclegacy.html >>>> >>>> Rob Abbott >>>> AZURA >>>> C&C 32 - 84 >>>> Halifax, N.S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
