Hi Rick:
I claim advantage since I also have a 38MKII, '77 vintage. You could check the NEPHRF.org website to see if your current handicaps are close for the boats racing.....if you have boats that are not registered, you could assign a rating comparable with the list found there. However, there are always discrepancies.....the "known list" portends to be applicable to a boat that is in "racing shape" in our case that means that the sails and equipment are up to snuff and the bottom is clean....I would expect that some of your participants won't match those criteria.... What we do in the Hingham fleet is to establish a "racing and a cruising" rating for each boat. Racing rating considers that the regular symmetrical spinnaker will be used on a pole. The cruising rating covers boats using Jib and main only. For our regular Wednesday night races, we don't have enough boats to race separate races in each fleet so if I want to race in the B fleet (which we won overall last year), and we don't want to use a spinnaker (which I don't have, only an ASYM) we let "cruising boats race with the spinnaker boats and add 10% to the cruising rating....That worked very well for us last year. IN our pursuit races, and we have several with over 100 boats entered, we also (by necessity) have both types of boats racing in the same race....all in one fleet. IN that case, boats that are racing "Cruising" get 10sec. added to their cruising rating. Again worked well for us last year. In your Pursuit race......simply assign a base handicap to each boat and then adjust it for spinnaker or not racing. Since the pursuit race starting time already takes the handicap into account....then as usual, the first boat across the finish line wins.... You could also check out a web site; www.regattaman.com <http://www.regattaman.com/> these guys do the race management for most of the events in New England....find the calendar page and check out the Great Chase Race....you'll find NOR's, Sailing instructions, and ratings for over 100 boats from Rhodes 19's to Swan 42's and beyond... If you need more info, check with me off line and I'll send what I can..... Best, Ron Casciato Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC...'77 _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 9:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List PHRF Adjustments for Spin and JAM in a single fleet OK. I know this has been discussed before. But I just spent almost two hours in the mail archives rereading a whole bunch of previous messages, trying to come up with a consensus opinion on how to adjust PHRF ratings to allow spin and JAM boats to compete in a single (small) fleet. What I firmly believe I have discovered is that, sort of like economists and politicians, if you laid all the opinions end to end they would never reach a conclusion. I know that a number of PHRF organizations give a boat both a Spin and a non-spin rating. And I understand that local some local organizations with small fleets running in a single event will adjust the ratings of boats in non-spin to promote more even competition. From what I can see, the credit for running non-spin seems to be in the range of 10-18 seconds, or 10-15% of the boat's PHRF. What I'm trying to do is plan for a "C&C Cup" to be run as part of a local charity regatta called Pirates on the Pungo, in Belhaven, NC on the weekend of May 15-17. More on that later. The race on Saturday is a longish (10-12NM) pursuit race that starts and finishes in the harbor and has north, south, east, and west legs. I know of about 15 C&Cs within a day's travel of Belhaven, so I'm guessing the fleet would include 8-10 boats, with some cruisers and 1 or 2 real racers. To promote camaraderie and competition, and also so I don't have to pony up too much for the prizes (the winner will get a half hull of his own boat made by Andrew Burton), we would have a single fleet. So help me here: How does your local PHRF or sailing club adjust the ratings between Spin and JAM to allow both types of boats in a single fleet? And how equitable are the results based on your experience? Rick Brass Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 Washington, NC
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