Robert, I think the only things missing from your setup numbers are rake and pre-bend. Our forestay length is also very easy to adjust (not that I do often).
Thanks, Tim > On Apr 28, 2015, at 4:01 PM, robert via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > What Dwight is referencing is a race we did with a Kirby 25 and were > embarrassed on the race course. And we were especially bad on starboard > tack....we kept wondering all day what was wrong....almost blaming one > another for our poor performance, e.g. you can't be pointing high enough, you > can't have my sails trimmed. After the race, first we discovered the > shroud turnbuckles were not pinned.....I thought they were because I thought > I pinned them after I tensioned rig tension. Dwight discovered by applying > Pythagorean's theorem that the top of the mast was out of column by 18" to > port. Any wonder why the boat was not performing the way it/we previously > did. > > That never happened a second time! > > The 32's rig is set at cap shrouds 1,300 lbs., lowers 1,200, intermediates > 500 lbs., backstay at rest 1,000 lbs., babystay 600 lbs......haven't > measured the headstay tension but it is about 4" to 6" bowed with a 135% > under power. And since I stopped racing, I have become lazy and am just > happy to have my mast in column and the rig not bending/stressing the boat, > and go sailing almost every day during our sailing season..... averaged over > 100 days per season for the last 5 years on AZURA....and that does not > include a dozen or so sails each season on other people's boats. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > >> On 2015-04-28 7:15 PM, dwight veinot wrote: >> Robert >> >> I think you might have learned the hard way about what rig tune means in >> that race we had with the K25 when we got whooped big time, especially on >> stbd tack...no good at all if the mast isn't plumb, right??? >> >> I am not sure if anyone can feel tension as accurately as the gage does it >> and the less expensive Loos gage for wire rigging ain't too bad either...i >> like it, at least it tells me stbd is the same tension as port but you have >> to use it right...everybody here, don't ever underestimate the importance of >> rig tune for performance, and that means perfromance as a function of >> expected wind strength and as wind strength varies so does optimum rig >> tension on these older boats, especially for pointing...y'all have to find >> out the hard way by experimenting with your own craft...a gage is essential >> for that experiment...Rob has the right gear for tuning rod rigging, he sets >> his rig up year after year for what works best on his 32, he doesn't race >> Azura so he doesn't vary his optimum rig tension for wind conditions all >> that ofeten, maybe a little more tension when the heavy fall winds hit >> here...no matter he likes what he got and that's OK until another 32 on the >> same point of sail blows him away...everyone is still learning, me, you and >> him too, get a gage and have some fun experimenting...watch you angle to >> apparent wind and your speed over ground on the GPS!!! >> >> Dwight Veinot >> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >> [email protected] >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:40 PM, robert via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On everything up top on the standing rigging, I now use only SS cotter >>> pins.....this is because on several occasions, and I can not explain how it >>> happened, the split rings vanished. Luckily, nothing fell down before the >>> missing split ring was detected. I have no explanation how the split rings >>> disappeared but I do know that since being replaced with cotter pins, there >>> has not been been a missing pin. >>> >>> The thread Subject is "rig tuning"......on that note I have rod rigging and >>> a Loos RT10 tuning gauge is a must for me......I can't pull on shrouds and >>> tell how much tension is there. Now someone will chime in >>> and tell me to measure my threads in the turnbuckles. But how do you >>> initially do that without a reference point with the benefit of a gauge. >>> >>> When we were campaigning our Kirby 25, we made rig adjustments depending on >>> the conditions. We still used a Loos gauge to take the guessing out of the >>> equation. >>> >>> I shouldn't admit this but I will.....on my shroud turnbuckles, I use the >>> small plastic pull/lock strings (or whatever they are called). Once I get >>> my rig tuned early in the Spring after a few sails, it stays that way all >>> season unless I adjust it after periodic checking with the Loos gauge and >>> sighting the mast, of course. >>> >>> Rob Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C&C 32 - 84 >>> Halifax, N.S. >>> >>> With the cover just removed and no launch date set yet. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2015-04-28 2:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: >>>> Tim, >>>> >>>> How often do you make adjustments? Do you have a tension gauge for rod >>>> rigging? >>>> >>>> Joel >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I got those (wrap pins) last year - and am very happy with them - no >>>>> sharp edges, no messing around with rigging tape to make adjustments. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> Mojito >>>>> C&C 35-3 >>>>> Branford, CT >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Might give these a try too. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303303|2303306&id=2546248 >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2015 9:48 AM, "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company >>>>>>> sees split rings at the rigs turnbuckles (vs cotter pins) that coverage >>>>>>> will be null and void. I found nothing in my policy stating this >>>>>>> detail. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone else ever hear of this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Email address: >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>>>>> bottom of page at: >>>>>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Email address: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>>>> bottom of page at: >>>>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Email address: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>>> bottom of page at: >>>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joel >>>> 301 541 8551 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> [email protected] >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> [email protected] >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > [email protected] > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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