Kenyon and Selden sell premade sail track gates. In theory all you need to do is drill and tap a couple of holes in the mast. But the curvature of the C&C mast may not be exactly the same as the curvature of the premade gate – on my 25 I had to modify the curvature slightly to make the system I bought from Kenyon work.
In the alternative, have your sailmaker add a dogbone through the reef tack cringles. It is a thick strap through the cringle of the appropriate length to reach the reef horn, with a substantial stainless ring on each end that is hooked on the reef horn. You can also make one yourself out of line and a couple of large stainless rings. You can’t reef while hove to. Heaving too depends on forward thrust from the main to make the rudder turn the boat to windward and offset the leeward thrust of the back-winded headsail. Remove that thrust and the boat just spins to leeward. You need to ease the vang to let the boom rise so you can get the clew tight when you reef. Then reset the vang after you have the clew and the halyard tight to get the sail flattened. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:11 PM To: 1 CnC List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Jim Watts <paradigmat...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Easy reefing without a mainsail slide track? A "gate" is easy to build and fit to the mast to allow the slides to go all the way down to the gooseneck. You might have to modify it a bit to fit your track. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/sailgate/sailgate.htm Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 13 August 2015 at 14:32, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: See response inline. On Aug 13, 2015 4:53 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > I have some questions on reefing. I know the basics, but want to get more > advanced so that it's easy even in challenging conditions. Especially > learning any handling characteristics that are specific to C&C's. > > Difficulty reefing was the one of the few sail handling issues we had on our > cruise of Vancouver Island last month. > > Typical Puget Sound summer winds are under 20 kts, so our practice reefing > has always been relatively easy. > But in 25 kts (gusting to 30?) with 6-10 foot sharp waves from current and > wind driven water stacking up in the Strait of Juan de Fuca approaching Race > Rocks it was a whole different experience and somewhat scary. > (and yes I know, reef early, reef often, but I don't need that lecture ;) > Besides, it doesn't change the fact you have to know how to reef in 25 to 40 > knots, because if you're ever in those winds you'll need to put the 2nd or > 3rd reef in). > > Anyone here have a procedure for easy reefing (or easier than what I'm doing > at least), that doesn’t involve ponying up $3000 to $5000 to install a new > mainsail track? (guessing it might cost that much or more if the main sail > needed to be replaced or restitched with new slides) > > Or is that basically an impossible wish? (ie, reefing in difficult conditions > will always be difficult) > > A few questions: > > - Do you use boat speed over water as a criteria for when to reef? If so > what's the speed for an LF38 at which you consider it overcanvased? This is really a function of wind speed not boat speed. More importantly TWS not AWS. With my 37+ i can carry full sails to ~15kts but it is getting uncomfortable and increasingly difficult to reef. > (keeping in mind that we're cruisers, not racers, so our priority is keeping > boat speed up without being uncomfortable or expending too much energy) > > - The mainsail 1st reef tack cringle doesn't reach down to the reefing horn > on the boom, because the sail slides are stacked up on the track stopper > (which cannot go any lower, and prevents the slides from falling out of the > track). So I've taken to tying a line through it and tensioning that around a > deck cleat. Should I actually be removing the track stopper, moving 3 or 4 > sail slides below the stopper (loose) and reinserting the stopper? That > would be a major PITA, but I think the existing situation is causing the reef > tack to be a bit too high, which likewise causes the reef clew point on the > leech to be a bit high. > Do you have dog bones? They help me but I'm not doing a single line setup. I have to ease the halyard and then go forward and "hook" a ring on the dog bone. > - Is it essential to release the vang before reefing? What's the reason > that's often recommended? Is it to make the foot of the sail slack and > billowy rather than flat, in order to make the clew reef point easier to pull > in? > You have to release the all functions which are pulling down on the boom so that you can tighten the halyard without overly tightening the leach of the sail. You may even find that lifting the boom with the topping lift helps. > Some info on the current setup: > - single line reefing with the line run back to the cockpit. Not run through > the luff (tack) cringle (I may change this though), so I have to go forward > to tie down the reef's tack. > - It's what's shown in "Single line and cowhorn" on this page: > http://www.offshore-sailor.com/index.php/seamanship-and-boat-handling/5-reefing-systems.html > - I could switch to full on jiffy reefing (run the line through the tack > cringle) but am worried there's already too much friction in the system. > - mainsail track is built-in to the mast, standard “T shaped” track with > plastic sail slides and 2 cars on the top two full battens. > - I lubed the sail slides with Mclube Sailkote a few months ago. That helped, > but there’s no way the sail will drop with 25 kts of wind pressure on it when > sailing off the wind (below a beam reach). I’m not sure even the best > mainsail tracks truly allow you to drop sail on a broad reach in 25 kts > anyway. > A batt-car system or a tides marine strong track may not let you "drop" the sail but it will certainly help make it easier. > We managed to do the reef by going to a close reach or close haul with the > genoa at ~100% and luffing the main. But this makes a tremendous racket as > the wind slammed the boom around in the minute or two it took to get the reef > in. Which can’t be good for the sail and hardware. I probably should have > sheeted in a bit more so it wasn’t luffing so bad. But it still would’ve been > bad. I’d rather not have to use this procedure for reefing to begin with. Is > there a better strategy? > Seems like you pretty much have it. As mentioned above consider application of the topping lift by a few inches. Then harden the main sheet tight. This will lift the boom but minimize the flapping around. The advantage to doing a downwind reef is that the apparent wind is significantly reduced. However the side loading on the slides is likely to make a down wind reef difficult. Additionally if you have lazy jacks then you'll probably get the sail tangled in the jacks which will need eased. This will result in a sloppy and unmanageable sail. All of this makes the upwind reef a little easier IMO. My suggested sequence for your setup would be to plan to do the reef into the wind. Ease the main sheet to loose. If you can, tighten the topping lift and then harden up the mainsheet against it. Ease the halyard far enough to pull the tack down to it's proper location and hook or cleat as appropriate. Tighten the reefing line until the foot is tight. Tighten the halyard. Ease the topping lift. Tighten the mainsheet and sail on. If you still find too much friction in the slides then work with the helmsman to "pinch up" and fall off to get the sail down and not go into the irons. 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