Danny, If you decide to recondition your hull surfaces I would suggest, per Josh and Dennis, using AwlCraft 2000 or something similar for the reasons that they state, ease of repair. It’s softer than AwlGrip but repairable. My understanding is that you should get 10 years without having to re-paint but I’m guessing, having a similar paint on my old Mako 261, that it will look nice far longer than that before having to start compounding and polishing.
I’ve never heard of anyone re-applying gelcoat to a hull but that’s probably just my lack of exposure to other hull covering methods. My experience is that gelcoat is only going “look” nice for 2-4 years before starting to fade and chalk. Especially if it is a darker color. Many of the newer, very expensive boats come painted from the factory. Paint looks better, is easier to maintain and lasts longer IMHO. That said, if you were to start the compound/polish process on your existing gelcoat, working up through the grits you can get a pretty nice looking hull. The wax will last about half a sailing season and you’ll need to redo the same process every spring. Which is one reason why I, or rather, my complaining shoulder sockets, decided to paint the hull with AwlCraft 2000 this year. If you decide to paint, get some quotes and have them describe exactly what they will do for the amount quoted. I think that for anything less than $15,000 to paint a 40’ hull, you’ll be getting a pretty quick and basic paint job. Most likely the yard will do a quick sanding of the surface and a few minor repairs before shooting. My paint job, which included some repairs but a great deal of sanding and board filing, raised boot stripes and a shear-stripe in a different color was at the quote mentioned above. I will say that for that price I got a “Hinckley” quality hull job. When it comes to deck painting, even though I already knew the answer, when I asked the yard about doing mine they were quick to reply, “No way…”. They just can’t make any money on that sort of job. From my discussions with the painter and my on-going experience, it could rise to be three times the amount to complete. My boat would NEED to be a Hinckley in order to justify that expense. So, not to be troubled with actually sailing my boat, I embarked on a journey to paint my decks. A big project but I’ve never been smart enough not to take on a fool’s errand. Like Dennis mentioned, sanding technique is key. After sanding and repair work, I’ll be spraying Awlgrip’s 545 epoxy primer. This will cover sanding marks down to 80-grit. I’m going to shoot the decks with AwlCraft 2000. I’m looking forward to it but if that is something that is too daunting, roll-and-tip is a good way to go. Using a white’ish color will help with the look of the final job. Don’t forget to take into account that you will most likely need to redo the non-skid. As far as bottom work goes, I’m not finished with that but I had my bottom blasted for $1,200 last Fall. The rest of the work when done will be charged at my yard rate of $0.00/hour so it shouldn’t break the bank... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > On Sep 6, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Josh! > > In considering topsides to be waterline to toe rail. I honestly would prefer > gel coat. I don't really understand the rush to paint. Gelcoat seems to > want to come back to life even after years of neglect. I thought that, > because she is painted already, I had no choice but to paint again. > > Bottom has many layers of bottom paint that are peeling off. I think she > need a clean start all the way back with barrier coat. > > I had this done on Lolita for around $2400 for the 2014 season, if I recall > properly. I guess that was a great price. I think I paid 800 for > sandblasting (yep they sandblasted) and then about 1600 for fixes, barrier > coat and bottom paint. I have to check my files to see how good my memory > is. I remember they gave me a 15% discount for scheduling and paying a 30% > deposit. > > The top sides on Lolita were painted by a PO and she was rolled and tipped > and I thought she looked absolutely fine. The hull was white. > > Maybe an inexpressive roll and tip job would be an answer to get sailing and > kick the can down the road a bit...?On Sep 6, 2015 12:11 PM, Josh Muckley via > CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Danny, >> >> When you say topside paint are you talking about the hull (freeboard, area >> between the water and toe rail)? Or are you talking about the deck >> (everything above the toe rail)? Either way you're probably looking at the >> better part of $10k. >> >> For hull/freeboard paint I suggest that avoid the original Awlgrip (color >> and clear coat in one shot) since blending a repair is such a challenge and >> costly. The newer Awlgrip 2000 is easier to blend and repair and for boats >> of this age is glossy enough despite not being a color and clear coat >> combo... Just glossy color. Either way you will want to follow the >> manufacturers care instructions closely. You might want to make sure your >> discussion includes re-gelcoating as an alternative to paint. Many people >> discount this as an option but it is one you might not have considered. The >> PO had mine partially re-gelcoated and I'm happy with it's appearance and >> it's care is "normal". Wash, polish, wax. >> >> When you say it needs a bottom job, what degree of bottom are you referring >> to. Just a haul, block, and wash with a sand and paint is gonna be about >> $1k. If you soda blast (or dry ice blast) then you're probably gonna need a >> least a little fill and fare and then probably a barrier coat and bottom >> paint which is also gonna push you close to $10k. If you get into >> remediation such as smile and blister repair then you're almost guaranteed >> $10k+ >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> On Sep 6, 2015 11:21 AM, "Juno via CnC-List" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Dave, thanks! I've read just about every article on this model and have >>> been laying after one but I never thought all the stars would EVER align >>> enough to actually own one! >>> >>> the wife is not overly enthused about the dark wood interior but she >>> couldn't deny the exceptional value of this particular boat. I've got some >>> work to do, mostly cosmetic, to make her as beautiful as she should be. >>> the biggest issue is topside paint. It has an awlgrip job thats peeling >>> terribly. the surveyor was trying to convince me to do it myself and go >>> with white fur more forgiveness. I don't think I'd like to take on a job >>> like that. It seems to big for one guy to on his own. I guess if I had it >>> inside in my back yard all winter I might give it a shot. >>> >>> It's also in need of a bottom job. this will be my 3rd boat in desperate >>> need of a bottom job. I'm going to try and have those 2 things done over >>> this winter if I can get a reasonable price. >>> >>> does anyone have any idea what I might expect to pay for top sides and >>> bottom job? >>> >>> geeze, I hope you guys don't mind me staying apart of the group now... >>> lol. I'd be lost without you all! >>> >>> Danny >>> closing soon! >>> Massachusetts >>> >>> DJH >>> >>> On Dave Godwin <[email protected]>, Sep 6, 2015 4:41 AM wrote: >>>> >>>> Congratulations. There’s one sitting in my slip at my house right now. >>>> It’s owned by a Norwegian couple that have spent three (winter) seasons in >>>> the Bahamas on it. They’re currently prepping to do do it again with a >>>> stop in NYC before heading South. >>>> >>>> They’re planning on stopping back at our place on the way down and I’ll >>>> probably be crewing on the leg from the Chesapeake to Charleston, outside. >>>> Big, sturdy boat and all set up for offshore work, including a nice wind >>>> vane. Which I know absolutely nothing about.. >>>> >>>> If I were home I’d walk down and take a picture and send it to you but it >>>> will be gone by the time I get back. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Dave in BCN >>>> >>>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> OK all. It's looking like we're going to be proud owners of a 1985 >>>>> tartan 40. Survey went well we have come to terms on price, AND I had >>>>> absolutely no problem with financing a 30 year old boat. All there is to >>>>> do now is finalize paperwork and the yard down there is taking care of a >>>>> few things for me! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> [email protected] >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > [email protected] > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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