My rigger will not use rings.  Says pins are safer.  Johnson makes pins
with velcro straps for easy removal.  You could make your own with some
velcro and whipping thread.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Had rings in the shroud turnbuckles on my previous boat. Was awakened one
> night by a gentle whacking coming from a galley cabinet. A search
> discovered nothing.
>
> They next morning just before getting underway I noticed a lower shroud
> bouncing against the cabin side.  On the deck were the Clevis pin and its
> cotter ring.
>
> I use cotter keys now.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 9:11 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I saw a boat recently which had large cotter rings through the turnbuckles
> instead of cotter pins.  This looked like a great idea to me as I sometimes
> find it difficult to get bent cotter pins back out of the turnbuckles.  Any
> down side of using rings instead of pins?  Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:07 PM, David Paine via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Answers for Patrick:
>>
>> > 3)
>> Is the exhaust hose looped up?  Yes but not enough.  Usually there is a
>> flapper valve on the exhaust but the reverse transom angle and the angled
>> cut of the exhaust make commercial ones unusable.
>>
>> 4) Does your fuel tank vent line not have a check valve in it?  (1-way
>> valve to allow air egress but prevent water ingress)  Or was the check
>> valve not working?
>>
>
> No check valve and in any case, a check valve allows flow of air or water
> in only one direction.  If it were put in correctly the fuel couldn't get
> out but displacement air and water could.
>
>>
>> 9) What do you mean by "wire" a turnbuckle?  Did your turnbuckles not
>> have cotter pins in them on the upper stays?  (Is running without pins
>> actually something people do??)
>>
>
> Heck yeah, who uses cotter pins?  I use stainless steel wire through the
> hole in both screws and through the body of the turnbuckle..  Cheap and
> easy.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:51 AM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Paine <paineda...@gmail.com>
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:50:37 -0400
>>> Subject: Stus-List Bermuda1-2 lessons learned
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> As I mentioned last spring as part of a question about life rafts, I had
>>> planned to sail  my C&C33-1  solo to Bermuda and back (double handed) in
>>> the Bermuda1-2 race.  I did,  It was fun, it was terrifying, it was
>>> expensive to prepare for, and it was frustrating as I did not do well (dfl)
>>> in my class in part because of the high winds and seas near the gulf stream
>>> probably favored the  HR49 and other heavyweights in my class but mostly
>>> because I was climbing a steep learning curve.   Of course, a C&C35-1 won
>>> the return and did well on the way there so (in my case) it's the sailor
>>> not the boat.  In preparation for the next one, I need to resolve a few
>>> issues with the boat and a lot with the skipper.  I was putting together a
>>> list that I thought I would share.
>>>
>>> (1)  The autopilot has to be more than bullet proof.   I thought my
>>> below deck pilot was, but I was wrong, and as a result I found myself
>>> upside down in the cockpit locker and crawling deep underneath the cockpit
>>> floor in horrible conditions to tighten bolts that allowed the tiller arm
>>> to slip (no woodruff key or slot to put it in).  I lost a lot of time
>>> bobbing around with the sails down repairing the autopilot or sleeping.
>>> The fix for this one is obvious but will require dismantling the quadrant
>>> and figuring out how to bolt the tiller arm to it.  Other issues with the
>>> autopilot were completely my own fault as I made changes to the electronics
>>> but did not have time to proof test the changes.
>>>
>>> (2) When a wave fills the cockpit and it gets flooded (and it did
>>> repeatedly) the engine instruments are going to get wet.  This is not good
>>> as the switches will (and did) fail, I am considering relocation or
>>> creating a waterproof cover.
>>>
>>> (3) Following seas WILL drive water up the tailpipe and into the
>>> engine.  As a result, I sailed into St Georges harbor and up to the customs
>>> dock then I spent a day in Bermuda sucking water out of the engine and
>>> drying it out enough to get it started.   For the return trip, I put a plug
>>> in the exhaust pipe but the plug was washed out in the "washing machine
>>> like conditions" and ... we got to sail the boat into the Newport Yacht
>>> Club dock at 3:00 am on no sleep.  Then spend another day pumping oily
>>> water out of the engine.  Yeah, slow learner.
>>>
>>> (4)  The fuel tank vent on my boat is high up on the starboard side but
>>> by the time I got to Bermuda, the tank had a quart of water in it (which I
>>> siphoned out).  Good filters (a racor) helped but I need to relocate the
>>> vent -- the question is where?  It may not be wise but on the return trip I
>>> wrapped the vent with tape (which, if I had run the engine I would have
>>> removed)   A better solution is needed.
>>>
>>> (5)  Reefing has to be quick and easy -- I spent far too much time
>>> screwing up enough courage to go to the mast to reef and shake-out.  My
>>> current reefing system (probably original to the boat) has a winch on the
>>> boom which makes the first reef fine but I used all three reef points and
>>> releasing the last reef before pulling in the next in 35-40 kn of breeze is
>>> a nightmare.   I need to work on leading the lines to the cockpit.
>>>
>>> (6) A removable inner forestay and a blade foresail might be nice.  My
>>> new furling 130 spent a lot of time furled 50% and that really has screwed
>>> up the shape of my formerly new and now blown out 130.
>>>
>>> (7) The boat was reasonably dry inside (a result of hours of rebedding
>>> hardware) but somehow the mast collar leaked like a sieve.  The boot looks
>>> perfect so it has to be the where the Al collar (mast partners) meets the
>>> deck -- who would have thought that the one place I didn't rebed would be a
>>> problem!
>>>
>>> (8) Hoisting a radar reflect on a flag halyard to the spreaders seems
>>> like a good idea until the line breaks and you lose both.
>>>
>>> (9) The one turnbuckle that I did not wire was the port diamond stay.
>>> Turns out the mast will stay up without this - whew!   It is extremely
>>> unnerving to see a piece of wire swinging around at night in a blow.  Wire
>>> everything. And use lock tight on critical bolts -- my solar panel broke
>>> loose as a result of a bolt getting unscrewed.
>>>
>>> (10)  Fighting with a 10 foot long spinnaker pole to fly the spin gets
>>> really old. Luckily the wind only died down enough to fly the spinnaker at
>>> the end of the race but if the conditions had been more benign, I would
>>> have had to fly the spinnaker much more.   An assymetrical with a short
>>> prod would be nice (but probably outside my ability to rationalize the
>>> spending).
>>>
>>> (11) Getting a decent weather (GRIB) file occasionally would have been
>>> really helpful.   I suppose I need to figure out how to do a SSB or Sat
>>> phone modem.
>>>
>>> Tons more lessons learned but that's enough for now.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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