Pics of the job when I had mine done. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yVUdWUDNxVGFUcDA
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On May 25, 2016 8:58 AM, "Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List" < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm planning to drop the rudder on my 37 and re-core it with foam, and was > wondering what I should look for and expect when doing this operation? What > are the steps involved and what challenges have other listers encountered? > > Chris > C&C 37 Northern Light > Halifax > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On May 24, 2016, at 11:19 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Head Foil Feed Funnel (Sam Wheeler) > > 2. Re: Throttle Cable Adjustment (Kevin Driscoll) > > 3. Re: Head Foil Feed Funnel ([email protected]) > > 4. Re: Head Foil Feed Funnel (Sam Wheeler) > > 5. Re: Throttle Cable Adjustment (Jake Brodersen) > > 6. Re: Throttle Cable Adjustment (Dave) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:38:50 -0700 > > From: Sam Wheeler <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel > > Message-ID: > > <CAKv=R8VF7OoDB8aqj9MoANEiHX8XKJw7JNfZOgZu1dcc3w=n...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Ouch. > > > > My version of Lesson 1 was when I was in college and an older alumnus > > invited our team to race with him on his Serendipity 43. We went out > for a > > practice day, and as team captain and one of the only people with > > non-dinghy race experience, I ended up as the de facto crew chief. > > > > We get the spinnaker up and call for a jibe. Foredeck crew dips the pole > > and gets it hooked up on the new guy, but it's not coming aft, so I yell > to > > the 6'8" dude on the primary winch to keep cranking. > > > > The ensuing explosion of carbon fiber shards taught me a valuable lesson > > about baby stays. > > > > Sam > > 35-3 > > SF > > > > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> It's in 18 feet of murky questionable marina water that I'd prefer not > to > >> swim in, even if I could see my hand in front of my face :) > >> > >> Turns out I got great customer service from Head Foil. I sent them a > >> picture and description of the half I didn't drop overboard, and they > dated > >> it to the first years of their company - early 70s, meaning my luff > support > >> system was probably original. They looked but couldn't find a > replacement > >> part. So I'm getting a new Head Foil system after a 44-year service > life > >> on the previous one. Not sure the replacement feed funnel have would > have > >> been a complete fix anyway, because some of the plastic extrusion > >> underneath it cracked and broke off. Without a new system I'm worried > that > >> sharp plastic edges might cut luff tapes of headsails being hoisted. > The > >> new Head Foil system is significantly less expensive than competing > systems > >> or furlers. I called / emailed the company on Saturday morning and they > >> called me back within a few hours. My new system shipped today. I'll > >> report back after installing and using it. > >> > >> There's actually more to the story. Went out for a leisure sail with > >> family, and the genoa foot fouled on a horn cleat during the hoist. My > >> daughter's boyfriend (big strong kid) kept hauling on the halyard until > the > >> feed funnel blew apart. Both halves were still dangling by one of two > >> screws holding them together (the other screw blew out somewhere during > the > >> hoist). When we got back to the marina I went to take all the parts off > >> the forestay to see if I could find replacement screws and re-assemble > the > >> whole thing, and that's when I dropped the part overboard. But I'm not > >> sure reassembly would have worked anyway because of the broken plastic. > >> The lessons: (1) if a sail is not going up like you expect, something is > >> wrong, and continuing to haul on the halyard will only break something; > (2) > >> be careful not to drop shit overboard :) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Randy > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160524/21b23570/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:42:06 +0000 > > From: Kevin Driscoll <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment > > Message-ID: > > <CA+LFBypzimdXAsf=ry+kfqp9va3rxff_4ltjgb1phnvpk4u...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I tried adjusting the friction screw on our 30-2 edson and resorted to > > bungee after not finding the sweet spot...if there is one. > > > > - Without the bungee, the throttle settles back to about 2400rpm, but > > doesn't go lower than that. > > - Lower throttle positions stay where I leave them. > > - I need the bungee to hold it at 2800-3200rpm. The bungee won't speed > > it up, even from idle, but it adds resistance so that it won't slip > back > > either. > > > > The small bungee works surprising well and I would *almost* never > advocate > > for redneck engineering solutions. > > > > KD > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:55 PM ahycrace--- via CnC-List < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I put a small clam cleat on the pedestal and use a small pc of rope. It > >> always stays put. > >> > >> Gary Kolc > >> > >> > >> > >> ---- mike amirault via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> There should be a saddle clamp on the throttle cable inside the STBD > >> cockpit locker, near the companionway. Tighten it down to provide more > >> resistance in the cable. I have seen several C&C 33ii boats with this > and I > >> know the tartan 35 has the same config. I suspect this was an Edson > >> solution. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160524/a65f6d39/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 23:40:34 +0000 (UTC) > > From: [email protected] > > To: cnc-list <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Ouch is right :) That was about a $500 lesson, but who knows how much > longer a 44-year old extruded plastic luff support system would have lasted > anyway. It had some other visible deterioration. But probably not as > expensive a lesson as replacing a carbon fiber spin pole :) > > > > Cheers, > > Randy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sam Wheeler via CnC-List" <[email protected]> > > To: "cnc-list" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "Sam Wheeler" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:38:50 PM > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel > > > > Ouch. > > > > My version of Lesson 1 was when I was in college and an older alumnus > invited our team to race with him on his Serendipity 43. We went out for a > practice day, and as team captain and one of the only people with > non-dinghy race experience, I ended up as the de facto crew chief. > > > > We get the spinnaker up and call for a jibe. Foredeck crew dips the pole > and gets it hooked up on the new guy, but it's not coming aft, so I yell to > the 6'8" dude on the primary winch to keep cranking. > > > > The ensuing explosion of carbon fiber shards taught me a valuable lesson > about baby stays. > > > > Sam > > 35-3 > > SF > > > > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < > [email protected] > wrote: > > > > > > > > It's in 18 feet of murky questionable marina water that I'd prefer not > to swim in, even if I could see my hand in front of my face :) > > > > Turns out I got great customer service from Head Foil. I sent them a > picture and description of the half I didn't drop overboard, and they dated > it to the first years of their company - early 70s, meaning my luff support > system was probably original. They looked but couldn't find a replacement > part. So I'm getting a new Head Foil system after a 44-year service life on > the previous one. Not sure the replacement feed funnel have would have been > a complete fix anyway, because some of the plastic extrusion underneath it > cracked and broke off. Without a new system I'm worried that sharp plastic > edges might cut luff tapes of headsails being hoisted. The new Head Foil > system is significantly less expensive than competing systems or furlers. I > called / emailed the company on Saturday morning and they called me back > within a few hours. My new system shipped today. I'll report back after > installing and using it. > > > > There's actually more to the story. Went out for a leisure sail with > family, and the genoa foot fouled on a horn cleat during the hoist. My > daughter's boyfriend (big strong kid) kept hauling on the halyard until the > feed funnel blew apart. Both halves were still dangling by one of two > screws holding them together (the other screw blew out somewhere during the > hoist). When we got back to the marina I went to take all the parts off the > forestay to see if I could find replacement screws and re-assemble the > whole thing, and that's when I dropped the part overboard. But I'm not sure > reassembly would have worked anyway because of the broken plastic. The > lessons: (1) if a sail is not going up like you expect, something is wrong, > and continuing to haul on the halyard will only break something; (2) be > careful not to drop shit overboard :) > > > > Cheers, > > Randy > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160524/24baa875/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:48:09 -0700 > > From: Sam Wheeler <[email protected]> > > To: cnc-list <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel > > Message-ID: > > <CAKv=r8vntc62wupoq1ulm2tzo7rx4p_1ciy7zh03dbmpzoo...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Yeah, sounds like it might have been getting to that point. Maybe better > > for it to fail on a hoist than underway in heavy air, too. > > > > In my case, amazingly, it turned out the pole was fixable with a > fiberglass > > collar around the break. The owner was surprisingly calm about the whole > > thing. Apparently he had switched from a metal pole to carbon > specifically > > so that an incident like that would break the pole rather than bring the > > rig down. > > > > Sam > > 35-3 > > SF > > > >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:40 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Ouch is right :) That was about a $500 lesson, but who knows how much > >> longer a 44-year old extruded plastic luff support system would have > lasted > >> anyway. It had some other visible deterioration. But probably not as > >> expensive a lesson as replacing a carbon fiber spin pole :) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Randy > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Sam Wheeler via CnC-List" <[email protected]> > >> *To: *"cnc-list" <[email protected]> > >> *Cc: *"Sam Wheeler" <[email protected]> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:38:50 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel > >> > >> Ouch. > >> > >> My version of Lesson 1 was when I was in college and an older alumnus > >> invited our team to race with him on his Serendipity 43. We went out > for a > >> practice day, and as team captain and one of the only people with > >> non-dinghy race experience, I ended up as the de facto crew chief. > >> > >> We get the spinnaker up and call for a jibe. Foredeck crew dips the > pole > >> and gets it hooked up on the new guy, but it's not coming aft, so I > yell to > >> the 6'8" dude on the primary winch to keep cranking. > >> > >> The ensuing explosion of carbon fiber shards taught me a valuable lesson > >> about baby stays. > >> > >> Sam > >> 35-3 > >> SF > >> > >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> It's in 18 feet of murky questionable marina water that I'd prefer not > to > >>> swim in, even if I could see my hand in front of my face :) > >>> > >>> Turns out I got great customer service from Head Foil. I sent them a > >>> picture and description of the half I didn't drop overboard, and they > dated > >>> it to the first years of their company - early 70s, meaning my luff > support > >>> system was probably original. They looked but couldn't find a > replacement > >>> part. So I'm getting a new Head Foil system after a 44-year service > life > >>> on the previous one. Not sure the replacement feed funnel have would > have > >>> been a complete fix anyway, because some of the plastic extrusion > >>> underneath it cracked and broke off. Without a new system I'm worried > that > >>> sharp plastic edges might cut luff tapes of headsails being hoisted. > The > >>> new Head Foil system is significantly less expensive than competing > systems > >>> or furlers. I called / emailed the company on Saturday morning and > they > >>> called me back within a few hours. My new system shipped today. I'll > >>> report back after installing and using it. > >>> > >>> There's actually more to the story. Went out for a leisure sail with > >>> family, and the genoa foot fouled on a horn cleat during the hoist. My > >>> daughter's boyfriend (big strong kid) kept hauling on the halyard > until the > >>> feed funnel blew apart. Both halves were still dangling by one of two > >>> screws holding them together (the other screw blew out somewhere > during the > >>> hoist). When we got back to the marina I went to take all the parts > off > >>> the forestay to see if I could find replacement screws and re-assemble > the > >>> whole thing, and that's when I dropped the part overboard. But I'm not > >>> sure reassembly would have worked anyway because of the broken plastic. > >>> The lessons: (1) if a sail is not going up like you expect, something > is > >>> wrong, and continuing to haul on the halyard will only break > something; (2) > >>> be careful not to drop shit overboard :) > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Randy > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160524/d6c8093d/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 20:59:51 -0400 > > From: "Jake Brodersen" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Lee, > > > > > > > > I have a small clamp over my throttle cable that keeps it from > slipping. It needs a tweak every couple years, but is very reliable and > cheap. > > > > > > > > Jake > > > > > > > > Jake Brodersen > > > > C&C 35 Mk-III ?Midnight Mistress? > > > > Hampton VA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lee > Rosenbaum via CnC-List > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:17 > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: Lee Rosenbaum <[email protected]> > > Subject: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment > > > > > > > > Having an issue with my throttle cable not staying at RPM above 2,000. > It falls right after I let go. I can set it higher when moving it at the > engine, but not at the helm. How does one adjust the cable on a 1985 C&C > 33-2? Or is there a way to oil the cable? PO used a bungee cord to hold > it at higher RPM. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Lee > > > > Kookaburra 1985 33-2 > > > > Kenosha, WI > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160524/7c511305/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:18:46 -0400 > > From: Dave <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Bingo, saddle clamp in locker. Couldn't believe it when I first saw it, > seems crude. Mine is fairly tight and always left me wondering if two > (each less tight) would be preferable. Can't help thinking there's got to > be a better way.... > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:31:12 -0300 > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment > > Message-ID: <431C9A049C644D9BB29E584397E1E21F@T60> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > There should be a saddle clamp on the throttle cable inside the STBD > cockpit locker, near the companionway. Tighten it down to provide more > resistance in the cable. I have seen several C&C 33ii boats with this and I > know the tartan 35 has the same config. I suspect this was an Edson > solution. > > ------------ > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160524/1a3c2e18/attachment.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CnC-List mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 124, Issue 111 > > ****************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! >
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