Rick it was common starting in the early '80s or so for race boats to have three halyard mastheads with any useable for a job and the outer ones for spinnakers, too. They did away with cranes. I think it's the same way now. Peregrine has four halyards, but no cranes.
Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton PO Box 632 Newport, RI USA 02840 +401 965 5260 > On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:17, Rick Brass via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dave, > > I would think that, with 3 halyards, the normal arrangement would be 1 for > the spin and two genoa halyards. The spin halyard could be left at the mast, > since it won’t need to have tension adjusted on a winch. The genoa halyards > would probably best be led to the cockpit. > > You have not mentioned if your arrangement has a crane at the top of the > mast. Most of the C&Cs I’ve seen over the years (even my friends’ LF38) has a > crane. Would it not be best to put a block on the port side of the crane, > forward of the forestay, and run the spin halyard through that. Personally > I’d use the center halyard for the spin. > > The two snap shackles under the furler drum were almost undoubtedly intended > for the genoa tack points (before the furler was installed). That is the way > my 38 was set up. > > For running the A sail on my 38 I used to shackle a block to the anchor > roller, forward of the pulpit. That let the line go up outside of the pulpit, > though it still made contact with the upper bar. I can’t imagine what a PITA > it would be to try to gybe the A sail inside the headstay and between it and > the baby stay. > > When I upgraded the ground tackle for cruising and added a double bow roller > arrangement, I had a strap welded into the new assemble as a purpose built > attachment for the block that routes the tack line. That puts the line about > a foot to 18” forward of the bow pulpit. > > Your original post mentioned running the spin shorthanded, but the > description tends toward single handed. I’ve never managed that – unless you > count using George (the autopilot) to steer the boat while I was on the > foredeck raising the spin and the sock. It is an advantage to have both these > lines near the mast if there are only 2 of you aboard (or 1 plus George). > > You will want your spin sheets to be about twice the length of the boat – > maybe about 10 feet more than that – if you plan to do outside gybes. > > > Rick Brass > Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 > la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 > Washington, NC > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Syerdave--- via CnC-List > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 AM > To: C&c Stus List <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2? > > Great, thanks gentlemen - very helpful. > > > So, I would assume the tack downhaul block aft of the furler is attached to > the two u-bolts on deck where, on Windstar, there are currently two snap > shackles permanently mounted. (Used for halyards, pre-Furler?). Basically at > the top of the chain plate. The tack downhaul would, in practice fly > between the Furler drum and pulpit, aft of the pulpit, harmlessly massaging > the Furler drum. I have one of those web-strap deals that can slide up and > down the furled Jenny. Used on my spin halyard. > > > I have the foredeck padeye, fair leads and cam cleat on stbd side of cabin > top. Stock I believe. > > > The halyard. I can't think of any reason that I need three headsail > halyards lead aft. Can you guys think of any reason NOT to have one of the > wing halyards permanently belayed at the mast, and the other run back to the > cockpit? This would allow for crewed/non crewed spinnaking, less cabin-top > clutter. (Anyone tamed that?) > > > Last question - by any chance, did you note the length/dia of the sheets? > The sail will probably be bagged for the winter, but at least I can get > prepared! (A-Spin is .75oz, 74.07 m sq., FYI. Custom, not stock, so fitted > to I 13.56m, j 3.98m.) > > > Thanks again! > > > Dave. > > > > > : Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:57:22 -0400 > From: Andrew Burton <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I take my tack to a block just aft of the furler. I also have a wide web that > wraps around the furled headsail and keeps the tack near centerline. Ease the > tack as you get further downwind. > Halyard definitely at the mast. Yes, use the outer halyards. On a > three-halyard masthead only the "wings" can be used for the spinnaker, but > all should work for the white sails. > Cheers > Andy > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > > > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:10:55 -0300 > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2? > Message-ID: <7E6566F8DD764B869CF73E0B27AC5263@T60> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have the same tack setup on my 33ii as described by Andrew Burton; a block > just aft of the furler led to a cam cleat on the stbd side of the cockpit. > My halyards are all led aft to the cabin top, PITA when raising the gennaner > but I have a cleat on the side of the mast which I use to temporarily tie off > the halyard. Make sure you drop the sock on the same side you raised it on or > you may have an issue with a halyard wrap. > > Mike Amirault > C&C33ii Lovely Cruise > SMSC > On Sep 9, 2016, at 18:06, Dave via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Just ordered my cruising chute from Rolly Tasker in Thailand and am looking > forward to trying it out.. Probably next season. Have flown my symmetrical > a few times singlehanded. > > Considering how to do this on Windstar and am curious about how others have > addressed a few things: > > -Halyard at cockpit. In this case it might make sense to have halyard at > mast - this way halyard, and spin-sock can be dealt with together. > > -Halyard at masthead. On the 33-2 there are three halyards available, all > are in-masthead sheaves, parallel to each other . I currently use the > centre one for the Genoa, and any other halyard chafes its neighbour on one > tack. > > -Tack downhaul. There isn't one forward of the furler drum. The downhaul > itself can be rigged using the spin-pole downhaul line, fair leads and > cleats, but the fixed, forward tack is a problem to be resolved. > > Many thanks for any guidance! > > Dave - Windstar 33-2 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated!
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