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Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
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>   1. Re:  Electrical panel (ahycrace)
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>   3. Re:  Electrical panel (Frederick G Street)
>   4. Re:  Can't close the v-berth door (Dave Godwin)
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> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:02:04 -0400
> From: ahycrace <ahycr...@cox.net>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel
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> Chuck still going to newport next week for the J class races?Gary Kolc 
> ?"Liberty"
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> -------- Original message --------From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/10/17  3:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: 
> Re: Stus-List Electrical panel 
> Half Magic sports a working Raytheon 1200 CRT radar at the nav station. 
> ?Takes a while to warm up and it really draws some serious amperage. ?As such 
> I only tend to use it when motoring at night or in fog. ?But it isn't awful 
> once you learn to interpret what's out there. ?I even got the owners manual 
> and schematic diagram showing all the resistors and stuff..Chuck GilchrestS/V 
> Half Magic1983 35 Landfall?Padanaram, MA
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
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> -->That looks like a Furuno CRT unit. They are actually quite nice radars. 
> ??Joe Della Barbajoe@dellabarba.comFrom: CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via 
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical panel?Josh ? is that REALLY?a CRT radar 
> display? ?I haven?t seen one of those in years (except for the one somebody 
> posted about a few weeks back, found in a river)? ? :^)?? Fred
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V?Oceanis?(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI?On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:31 
> PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yVzdkVFMyVGhqRjA/view?usp=drivesdk?Josh
>  Muckley?S/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C 37+Solomons, 
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Can't close the v-berth door
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> My 33-2 does that if I crank things too tight.   (mast step has been 
> rebuilt), and I do not have a hydraulic backstay.  It binds at the top of the 
> doorframe.
> 
> There are there are j hooks that are bolted through the mast that grab the 
> cast mast partners/ collar to which the halyard turning blocks are mounted.  
> I believe these hooks are there keep the mast collar from being lifted by  
> pull of the halyards.    There are shims between the base of the mast and the 
> step that can slightly vary height of the mast and therefore the distance 
> between the hooks and the step.   Soooo, without those shims, the mast is 
> inclined to press the cabin top down, and therefore the top of the head door 
> frame.   If shimmed correctly, the hooks don't pull the cabin down, but they 
> keep the deck from lifting via halyard pressure etc..
> If you have a similar arrangement, this could be impacting things.  
> 
> Dave.  33-2
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>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Patrick Davin <jda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting. I inspected my mast step closely when the mast was out, since I 
>> know some LF38s have had that issue. Mine looked okay. Dennis when your head 
>> door was stuck, was it binding at the top and bottom edges of the door?  
>> Given your cabin roof was being pushed down I imagine that's what would 
>> happen. My v-berth door is binding at the sides - the bottom 3 feet - so 
>> that makes me think it's due to horizontal squeezing of the hull. 
>> 
>> I know some flex / compression is natural from the forces of the rig on all 
>> sailboats, more so on more flexy boats than on older solid fiberglass boats. 
>> The LF38 has no deck tie downs at the fwd bulkhead, just the aft bulkhead. 
>> So I'm wondering whether that lack of deck tie downs allows the hull to flex 
>> more at that fwd section. 
>> 
>> -Patrick
>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
>>> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>>> Cc: 
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>>> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:08:47 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Can't close the v-berth door
>>> Years ago, I installed a hydraulic backstay adjuster on Touche'.  Hot dog!  
>>> Picked the boat up from the yard and went out on the lake to try it out.  
>>> Cranked it down and, oops, the head door wouldn't open.  Temporary boat 
>>> rule:  nobody uses the head going upwind.  Downwind, backstay off, door 
>>> opened fine.
>>> 
>>> Didn't take long to discover deteriorated mast step.  Tightened the rig, 
>>> the mast was driven downward into the boat.  The turning blocks on the mast 
>>> pushed the collar down, deformed the cabin roof and bound up the head door.
>>> 
>>> Rebuilt mast step solved issue.
>>> 
>>> Your experience may be different.
>>> 
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>> I've had this (minor) issue over a year where we can't fully close the 
>>>> v-berth door on our Landfall 38. 
>>>> 
>>>> At first I thought it was just due to heat expansion of the wood in the 
>>>> summer, but it started roughly after I tightened the main shrouds a couple 
>>>> turns (due to masthead fall off in higher winds). And this winter when I 
>>>> had the mast out for rerig I noticed the v-berth door closed fine. 
>>>> 
>>>> Is this just normal flex for C&C's?  Anyone else had this issue? 
>>>> 
>>>> It's binding at the door jamb and the lower right half of the door. I 
>>>> tried to check the bulkhead to hull and deck joints, but it's hard to 
>>>> inspect those much since they're covered by a permanent liner.
>>>> 
>>>> Releasing backstay tension doesn't help. So I suspect it's the fwd lowers 
>>>> or main shrouds that flex the hull the tiny amount needed to squeeze the 
>>>> door frame. I double checked that the tie rods are adequately tensioned 
>>>> and there's no upward inflexion of the deck at the U-bolts. 
>>>> 
>>>> The only thing I can think to do would be to sand down the lower half of 
>>>> the door edge and revarnish it.
>>>> 
>>>> -Patrick
>>>> 1984 C&C Landfall 38
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>> 
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> Josh ? all of the solid-state radar scanners and displays are MUCH more 
> energy efficient than their predecessors.  The choice of scanner mostly comes 
> down to whether it?s going to attach to an MFD, or be a black-box unit.  If?s 
> it?s going to an MFD, you need to stick with the same manufacturer 
> (obviously?).
> 
> Furuno, Garmin, Navico (Simrad/Lowrance/B&G) and Koden all make black-box 
> scanners.  You just need to determine which one will be supported by the app 
> you?re going to use.  It looks like OpenCPN supports at least the Garmin and 
> Navico.  I?ve heard really good things about the Novice BR24, so that might 
> be an option to consider along with the Garmin scanners.
> 
> Just know that if your laptop fails (not unheard of in salt air?), your radar 
> is just a big boat anchor attached partway up the mast.  The purpose-built 
> MFDs are much more robust in the marine environment, IMHO.
> 
> ? Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> Yep CRT, for the radar, and it works...if I actually knew how to use it.  I 
>> turn it on from time to time and try to make out contacts but with most of 
>> the inland sailing I do it is rather useless.  I've seen the newer digital 
>> radars seem to work well with storm cells and overlay on the 
>> chartplotter...seems much more useful.  Oddly enough I literally just spoke 
>> to the local yard about having mast and rig work done this winter and 
>> discussed replacing the radar.
>> 
>> Since you took interest, I'll entertain your thoughts on replacements.  With 
>> the speed at which technology advances I hate spending money on planned 
>> obsolescence items and lean towards OpenSource or at least opensource 
>> compatible solutions.  IIRC OpenCPN has a module for the GARMIN HD radar 
>> systems.
>> 
>> Another reason I don't use the radar regularly is that is is an energy hog.  
>> ~10amps!!  It is also down below and doesn't talk to the chartplotter...at 
>> all.  It only has NMEA 0183 provisions for course input, time input, sailing 
>> instrument input, magnetic bearing input, no outputs.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
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> I?m thinking that this might be a common issue along the C&C line, at least 
> from our vintage years. About a year after I acquired our boat and getting 
> the rig rebuilt (I bought it with the mast on the deck as an abandoned 
> bank-repo) and the boat in the water the v-berth door stopped closing. Worked 
> with a friend who owned a boat-yard and built boats and we couldn?t really 
> find a ?good? reason for this happening.
> 
> I just ignored it and kept the v-berth door pinned open. It will be 
> interesting to see it that still is the case when I finally put the new rig 
> (all new rod and running rigging) back in after sitting on jack stands with 
> no keel for a couple of years...
> 
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin?s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have the opposite issue with the v-berth door on my Landfall 38; with the 
>> boat in the water and the rig under tension, it?s fine, but when the boat?s 
>> in the cradle for the winter it won?t close?   Kind of a non-issue, I guess? 
>>   :^)
>> 
>> ? Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 4:33 PM, john sandford via CnC-List 
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the same problem when the shrouds are tensioned to 17ish%
>>> I recessed the hinges into the frame, which moved the door <>3/16 to Stbd 
>>> and allows closing.
>>> Same problem with the aft cabin door.
>>> If I slack the rig enough to close the doors, its scary sailing with the 
>>> leeward stuff just flopping around. So I dont
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