We’ll need to discuss over a beer the finer points of what “comes with” a 35-year old custom boat. And I didn’t just remove water ballast, I replaced a lot of it with West System (more than a teak table’s worth, I might add), followed by 8-10 coats of Interprotect. But I digress.
From: coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: coltrek Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C&C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Haha, nice try counselor. I think the rule reads, whatever came with a boat, stock. You did, however, remove a lot of water ballast that came with the boat... okay, that didn't come with the boat. Regards, Bill Coleman C&C 39 -------- Original message -------- From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 21:33 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C&C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat. I guess I’m grandfathered. You, on the other hand... From: coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: coltrek Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C&C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Mine too - I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!. Bill Coleman C&C 39 -------- Original message -------- From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C&C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 I’ll add one more perspective. I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my basement. The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it. Again, it’s all about how you use the boat. From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C&C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C&C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C&C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C&C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C&C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C&C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C&C. I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. 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