This is an interesting and very timely thread.  I need to replace a genoa 
halyard and assumed an eye splice would be needed.  Had never contemplated a 
knot on anything larger than a 10’ dinghy.  What type of line are people using 
that are tying any of these knots?  Some line is considerably stiffer than 
others due to the materials used and line construction.  NER Stay Set or Samson 
XLS is probably fairly easy to tie one of these knots.  Has anyone tied one of 
these knots using NER V-100 or Yale Crystalyne?  


Also are these knots being used mostly when cruising so the halyard goes on the 
furling genoa at the beginning of the season and does not really come down 
until the end of the season, or are they used in W/L racing where the genoa 
goes up and down 3 or more times in a race with 3 races a day?  





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I didn't spend much time comparing resources and references so take it for what 
it's worth but the website below did some tests and found the bowline reduced 
strength by ~60% where as the double fish knot broke at ~75%.  I'm not sure 
exactly what a double fish knot is compared to any of the other knots.  
Interestingly I was always taught that climers and confined space rescuer use a 
figue eight (reweave or on a bite) instead of a bowline because of its retained 
strength.  It's a interesting read at least.



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018, 10:49 PM Rick Brass via CnC-List < 
<> > wrote:

I couldn’t help but chuckle because I’ve been tying the Halyard Hitch, Jeanneau 
Variant since I was about 12.. Except what I’ve always used it for is to tie 
the monofilament leader onto a fly when fly casting. The knot (bend actually) 
that I learned takes two passes through the eye of the hook and then is tied 
like the Jeanneau bend. And when I learned it from my Grandfather it was called 
a fisherman’s bend.

And, BTW, one of the reasons the bowline is the most basic knot taught in the 
US Power Squadron and CG Auxilliary basic seamanship classes is – according to 
the course material – that it retains around 90% of the strength of the line 
you are using and is the highest among the common knots and bends.

Rick Brass

Washington, NC 


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