Thanks, Josh. I have no opinion one way or the other aside from what I’ve heard and read — which may be pure fiction. Admittedly, it has been a while since I heard negative comments about Marelon. Perhaps the concern was more about the uncertainty of change.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Well Matthew I wouldn't go so far as to say that your cautions are meritless. > I just haven't had any trouble with mine. I understand the aversion to > "plastic" - just doesn't seen strong enough. Consider on the other hand how > narley some of the bronze fittings can look when left to their own devices. > > Josh > > > >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 9:56 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> There you have it. I guess the cautions I’ve heard and read about lack >> merit. >> >> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Josh Muckley >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >> >> For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had >> absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for breakage. >>> I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit scuppers on >>> my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like working on >>> the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it with my >>> foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on). >>> >>> From: sender via CnC-List >>> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: sender >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>> >>> Thanks to all who responded. >>> >>> I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation, >>> successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There >>> wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon >>> seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. >>> >>> The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but I've >>> never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It >>> seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting >>> would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, >>> which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I >>> missing something here? >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Eric >>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the >>>> scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. >>>> >>>> Neil Andersen >>>> 1982 C&C 32 FoxFire >>>> Rock Hall, MD >>>> >>>> Neil Andersen >>>> 20691 Jamieson Rd >>>> Rock Hall, MD 21661 >>>> >>>> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Matthew L. >>>> Wolford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>>> >>>> Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning >>>> correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and >>>> decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit >>>> drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were >>>> nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. >>>> >>>> I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does >>>> not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when >>>> heeled. >>>> >>>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Cc: Josh Muckley >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>>> >>>> I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew >>>> Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to >>>> be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the >>>> boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to >>>> relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would >>>> eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred >>>> by the necessity of leaving them open. >>>> >>>> I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all >>>> angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though >>>> depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to >>>> be lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the >>>> next tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned >>>> by others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as >>>> high above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. >>>> >>>> Josh Muckley >>>> S/V Sea Hawk >>>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>>> Solomons, MD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List >>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C&c 40 for 3 years. >>>>> (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) >>>>> >>>>> When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side >>>>> mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be >>>>> taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful >>>>> persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> C&c 40 aft 1983 >>>>> Portland me >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List >>>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one >>>>>> is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew Burton >>>>>> 139 Tuckerman Ave >>>>>> Middletown, RI >>>>>> USA 02842 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ >>>>>> +401 965-5260 >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >>>>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed >>>>>>> when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly >>>>>>> those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains >>>>>>> will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get >>>>>>> closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a >>>>>>> location above the waterline, without valves, and then permanently >>>>>>> retire the through hulls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port >>>>>>> and starboard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Muckley >>>>>>> S/V Sea Hawk >>>>>>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>>>>>> Solomons, MD >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List >>>>>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> I bought earlier this year a C&C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed >>>>>>>> out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open >>>>>>>> position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold >>>>>>>> salt water on the west coast of BC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of >>>>>>>> seacock, and had success freeing it up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" >>>>>>>> panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably >>>>>>>> accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably >>>>>>>> have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is >>>>>>>> (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>> C&C 32 Sirocco 2 >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. >>>>>>>> Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to >>>>>>>> support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- >>>>>>>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>>>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list >>>>>>> - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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