Enjoy the sail FWIW I only really understood what I wanted and needed from a sailboat after experiencing what I didn’t, and for me at least this took time. I still don’t have it quite right. (Lol). I wouldn’t dwell too much on getting the right boat today for some future aspiration. IMO, Get a good boat for today, and accept that it’ll still be imperfect. With experience You’ll progressively dial in on what you want, and in any case your aspirations will change over time. Good luck with (and enjoy) the adventure. Dave -33 mk2 - (the not-ideal boat I am currently enjoying immensely) Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 26, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Shawn Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Gary, for your thoughts. Having spent so long looking, I have become > more fixated on finding the right boat, but until we get some real > experience, we won't know what that boat is. As much as I dread the > possibility of selling her in a few years and beginning another search, I > can't see any way to avoid it. Even if we had $100K to spend, there is no > guarantee of finding the right boat for both local cruising, and going to the > South Pacific some day. We're probably going to proceed, unless something > serious comes up on the haul out, which doesn't seem likely. Backing out at > this point would likely mean not getting a boat in time for our planned trip > in June, or having to make a rushed decision on another boat. Getting the 10K > boat will do the job for a season, but I just know that I'll still be looking > at other boats, and I'd like to give that a rest for a while. I'm hoping to > go out tomorrow in some decent winds for a final trial, since we didn't get > much wind the first time. I plan to go below while under sail, hopefully with > a bit of wave height, to see what kind of movement and strange noises I hear > from the hull and bulkheads. I still have some concerns over the loose > bulkhead to cabin top connection (they just seem to loosely fit in the cabin > top liner groove), so I want to see how much movement is there. > > The only comparable boat is a Niagara 35 ($25K) which is even better equipped > - radar, windvane, propane hot water. It's a boat well known for offshore > passage making, and I like the deeper bilge and heavier build, while it still > rates well under PHRF (159) so should be decent for light air. But it has > soggy decks are per past survey, and a cored hull. Oh, and there are two San > Juan 34/Crown 34s for $18 & 25K, which are closer to a C&C in build and > performance. > > I'm hoping for a good sail tomorrow, and to not find anything more that is > discouraging, so we can just get on with sailing, and learning to love our > new boat! > >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:19 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> We have owned our 30-1 for 25 years now, and, as our sailing dreams have >> changed, it still seems to answer the need. A couple more feet would not be >> a bad thing. A divorce in everything but boat ownership and the ex-Admiral >> still drives “her boat” with her new husband and some of the old crew on >> Wednesday nights and I drive “mine” at other times, do a little cruising and >> some weekend racing. >> >> >> >> I’ve been watching your thought process with interest. I think, if you are >> comfortable with the concept of the 35II, I don’t see as much downside as >> others seem to see. It is a very good, stout, well sailing boat with some >> extras – maybe too many. >> >> >> >> I would think that the engine issue with its complications may be a turn-off >> for many, but I don’t see why, with your skills, that a couple days >> stripping the extras out (water maker, extra batteries, and other items) you >> could get it down to a ‘normal’ boat. Then you have a garage full of stuff >> which may be handy in the future. When our hot water heater rusted into a >> pile, it came out, as we found our cruising to various places with marinas >> was more to our liking than camping out. You don’t know right now what you >> may end up doing with the boat in the future. Long distance cruising? >> Offshore? I would think that you need to spend some time developing your >> sailing skills and interests, then you can do more intelligent planning for >> future endeavors. >> >> >> >> Just a contrary opinion. >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via >> CnC-List >> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Shawn Wright <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C as offshore boat? >> >> >> >> Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for >> offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) >> that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues. >> >> re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for >> months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof >> (outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this >> 35 into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't >> game for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I >> get a chance. >> >> >> >> Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it. >> >> >> >> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina >> 390 next to C&C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port >> Berkeley, CA. I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this >> mail list as far as I know, but is on the C&C owners’ Facebook group. He >> said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back. We didn’t >> discuss what kind of conditions he encountered. But he did say that in >> preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me >> wonder if that’s the right material for that job). His boat was also set up >> with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker. >> >> >> >> I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C&Cs in marinas at Harbor Island, San Diego, >> but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed. Maybe down Mexico way. >> >> >> >> As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at >> Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before getting >> hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to douse the >> main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get into the >> slip. Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake. So all that doesn’t >> really apply to your question. But having said that, I chartered a Bali 4.5 >> cat in the BVI a few weeks ago. We had some 25kt days, with 6’ wind waves, >> and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to sail >> Grenadine down there. I’m sure she would have handled it just fine, and >> loved it. Didn’t happen to see any C&Cs on that trip, and not for lack of >> looking. >> >> >> >> Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Randy Stafford >> >> S/V Grenadine >> >> C&C 30-1 #7 >> >> Ken Caryl, CO >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> 1I saw a C&C in Uruguay. It's hailing port was in Delaware. So there is >> that. >> >> >> >> My experience and my the reports from others is that C&Cs are generally well >> built, strong boats. That being said, "Are the good blue water boats?" I >> would suggest no. They typically have less tankage than other similar sized >> boats. They often have fin keels that create a flat spot forward of the >> keel. This can result in a pretty good pounding with the right wave height >> and frequency. Most of them were catering to the racer-cruiser an as a >> result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer but as a cruiser often >> had shorter than appropriate keels. >> >> >> >> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater >> boats. Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines. Now they are >> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15 >> kts of wind. I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now. Not >> where you think you will be sailing in the future. You can always buy and >> sell later. >> >> >> >> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns. If I find it I'll >> forward it to you. >> >> >> >> Josh Muckley >> >> S/V Sea Hawk >> >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat >> purchase: how many of you have taken your C&C offshore, and if so, which >> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone >> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C&C, and how >> would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about >> taking it offshore? >> >> >> >> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), >> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC >> to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air >> boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a >> beating without worrying about our safety. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Shawn Wright >> >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. 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