I have to go with Chuck on this one. I agree that innovation only comes from racing and I wish that we required the boats to have native crews.
Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C&C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Neil, > > I’m going to have to side with Charlie on this one. There’s no shortage > of One Design regattas, perhaps the most relevant having been raced last > weekend, the NYYC Resolute Cup, a Corinthian competition between amateur > sailors from Yacht Clubs around the globe. All sailing identical Melges > IC37 boats. It was very important racing for those clubs involved but > received little interest outside of some industry related press. > > The America’s Cup has ALWAYS been a race that pitted crews and yacht > designers and engineers, even from the very first competition. When J > Class, 12meter and ACC class boats were involved, there was always a “box > rule” that allowed for creativity and design enhancements that would allow > for innovation. Without that innovation, we would never have molded sails, > carbon fiber spars, or lightweight high modulus yacht ropes that are so > popular with today’s racers. > > > > I’ve been a big AC fan ever since the 60’s and thought back then that > Intrepid was the absolute pinnacle of sailboat racing design. I would sit > in middle school classes and try to duplicate her lines, her trim tab and > rudder, drawing with a pencil using a French curve. It fascinated me how > different that boat was than all the other 12meters. Where else but in a > competition with virtually unlimited budgets would that sort of innovation > be incubated and brought to fruition? Think of how Ben Lexan’s winged keel > threw the monkey wrench into the world of sailboat design and it still > finds its way into shoal draft keels on modern boats. That would never > happen if the Cup was strictly a one design event. > > > > My only regret is that the Cup competition no longer has a strong > foundation with regards to home grown sailors. The free agency of > international talent with little regards to national representation has > diluted the passion with which our country follows the event. With such a > domination of Aussie and Kiwi sailors in the cup, we appear to have lost > the will to train local skippers and crew to reach for that gold ring of > excellence that was once held by Dennis Connor, Bus Mosbacher, Paul Cayard, > and even Bill Koch. How to change that will depend on who winds up winning > the Cup in this upcoming addition, but it is somewhat comforting that the > US based challengers are using our country name to identify the syndicate > rather than their corporate sponsor. > > Go Defiant! > > Chuck Gilchrest > > S/V Half Magic > > 1983 35 Landfall > > Padanaram, MA > > > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *Neil > Andersen via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2019 8:29 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List America’s Cup > > > > Sorry, I’m with Charlie. AC races should be about crews, not engineers. > > > > I’m all in favor of engineering breakthroughs, but the competitors should > all be in the same boat and the race test the crew and cut of their sails. > > > > Neil > > 1982 C&C 32, FoxFire > > Rock Hall, MD > > > > Neil Andersen > > 20691 Jamieson Rd > > Rock Hall, MD 21661 > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of CHARLES > SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:02 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List America’s Cup > > > > Defiant looks awesome. They stated in a video that the boat foiled in her > first 90 minutes of being on the water. The video shows her turning at > speed and looking very steady proving they are doing many things right. I'm > a huge fan of Americas Cup cause it pushes the possibilities of sailing, > keeps designers and builders busy, and is very entertaining. Foiling has > been around a while but recent developments have produced foils that work > at low speeds like standup paddle boards and even surfboards. The other > night I watched an hour long documentary of Larry Ellison winning the cup > back from the Swiss several years before the foiling catamarans. I also > watched a video of a guy in Truro, England (Poldark area) building fifty > foot Pilot Cutters in wood and training young people to be builders. BTW, > my boat takes her name from an Americas Cup defender of 1920, Resolute. She > was short on the waterline with a bigger than normal sailplan and struggled > but kept the cup. She was gaff rigged with three headsails and designed by > Nat Herreshoff who designed and raced the first catamaran and designed the > first fin keel w bulb. If he were alive today, I'm sure he would be testing > all the cutting edge materials and designing foils. > > The new AC boats will be 75 feet long, foiling monohulls, no keel, no > centerboards, the foils are attached to arms that rotate the windward foil > up to act as a counterweight. Eleven man crews. New Zealand is defending > against America, England and Italy, so there will be four boats. The races > are in 2021 so they have two years to practice and improve the designs. > > Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1990 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md > > > On September 17, 2019 at 5:11 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I am not a big fan of the foiling AC boats of any length. > > > > However, I love the name of the US entry, Defiant. Win or lose, she > carries a great name like many of the old sailing ships of the seafaring > nations of the world. > > > > Charlie Nelson > > S/V Water Phantom > > 1995 C&C 36XL/kcb > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > >
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