Hi Blair, 

I have a number of thoughts:
1).  The backflow into the head is likely caused not so much by the joker valve 
as the flapper valve at the bottom of the pump itself where it is screwed to 
the pipe leading to the bowl.  You can take it apart and clean it manually (4 
screws) but realistically if it is bad, you're better off buying a whole new 
Jabsco pump (not the whole head).  They are almost the same price as an 
overhaul kit but are a lot easier to replace.
2).  Back pressure on the handle is generally caused either by not having the 
flip-style valve all the way to the right when pumping or a blocked vent.  
Check that vent!  They tend to get clogged with spiders and such that like to 
make it their home.  Check it every time you pump out as well, and even flush 
it with water each time.  It's remarkable, as on other boats I've even found a 
holding tank bowed out to the point you could stand on it from the increased 
pressure, but as soon as I poked around the vent a little bit the pressure 
hissed out of the tank immediately.
3).  To test the hose for permeation, wipe it down with a damp rag or paper 
towel, and smell it.  If the smell transfers to the towel, your hose is due for 
replacement.
4).  Flush, flush and then flush some more!  Inevitably I find smells that come 
from the head and holding tank are almost always caused by people wanting to 
conserve how much water they pump through.  I get that people don't want to 
fill their holding tanks, and the fact that I can flush seawater back out like 
you can means that I can pump waste into the tank, but use seawater to flush 
lots of water through the system and back overboard afterwards.  We've never 
had a problem with smells since.  As to the issue of fresh vs. salt water, I 
understand why people use fresh water to flush, but if you're not putting 
enough volume through, I personally think it is counterproductive.  

5).  If you want to clean the holding tank, I would fill it about 1/2 way after 
adding Dawn or other detergent and go sailing on a windy day to slosh it 
around.  Then pump out.  

Hoping you find this helpful.  

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
[email protected]
 

    On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 2:53:01 PM EDT, Blair Clark via CnC-List 
<[email protected]> wrote:  
 
  I beg patience as i am hoping there is some quick troubleshooting hints that 
can be provided.
Purchased a 1990 C&C 34 +. really really happy with boat and currently working  
through some smaller items to get her up to speed.
one of these involves the holding tank. My jabsco manual toilet exits through a 
Y valve to sea or to  holding tank.  No external macerator system is in place.. 
Even when Y valve set to sea I am having a smell go away and then return to the 
head area.
Holding tank was pumped before transport after purchase and appears close to 
empty.
Steps to date:
1) Had a group out on the boat2) next day head ines appeared blocked as there 
was back pressure on handle3) removed lines got shop vacuum cleared lines and 
flushed with vinegar and water4 thought everything would be good5) Noticed 
smell in head2) noticed back flow of liquid into bowl3) again fought with stiff 
lines and replaced joker valve3) back flow and  Smell went away4) a few days 
later after not using boat the smell came back but not from toilet bowl5) 
noticed that when I opened door under vanity sink bowl in the space that houses 
the holding tank that the smell was more extreme6) thought of taking tank out 
to inspect during winter but have no idea how to access it to do so.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to troubleshoot tsmell, holding tank or 
lines and or remove tank?
Thanks,
BlairC&C 34+_______________________________________________

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