Hi Dave,

Interesting discussion.

My experience with SailTimer has been mixed.  I bought their Wind Instrument a 
few years ago and it only lasted a couple seasons because the battery went 
flat.  So I bought their rechargeable battery version in January and they still 
haven’t delivered it.  I still like their concepts and price, but their product 
and service performance has been disappointing.

Now to your discussion.  I can appreciate their points that individual wind 
shifts are just parts of the overall average wind direction, and how do you 
know in a given shift whether it represents the “real” wind direction.  
Incidentally that average wind direction seems to be a major factor underlying 
their “optimal course” concept.  I hope they are constantly updating their 
notion of average wind direction as they measure the instantaneous true wind 
direction and shifts in it.

Having said that, I got my ass kicked in a race just yesterday because other 
sailors played the wind shifts better than I did.  Our wind at Chatfield was 
oscillating at least 30 degrees yesterday, and some boats guessed right while 
others didn’t.  So I vehemently disagree that headers and lifts are “another 
antiquated racing method.”  That’s a pretty cavalier statement.  And I think 
the shorter the distance from your current position to the next waypoint, the 
more important they become.  I could understand in an ocean race from say 
Newport to Bermuda you might want to give the shifts some time to average out.  
But on a lake the size of Chatfield where the windward mark might be only half 
a mile from the start line, every shift is important.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:06 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I had an email debate last week with the folks who make the Sailtimer app and 
> wireless wind instruments.  They claim their app will determine optimal 
> tacking angles and adjust them in real time.  I was trying to understand what 
> the software did and how it was doing calculations and getting very confusing 
> (to me) answers.  As an example, I asked what the software would do if there 
> was a header.  My presumption was it would detect the shift and give you some 
> feedback or recommend tacking.  It should not be hard to figure out that you 
> are going slower toward the mark (VMG).  We agreed taht VMG was problematic 
> because it changes as you approach a mark, but their approach was equally 
> problematic.  Here is the response I got:
> 
> Headers and lifts are actually another antiquated racing method, that are 
> very clumsy in the age of GPS and computers.  They were great in the 1920s 
> when it was impossible to do trigonometry every second in a boat heeled over 
> and crashing through waves.  But they make you choose some arbitrary length 
> of time to get an average wind direction.  And they make an assumption that 
> the wind is going to go back to average later.  If a lift happens for 2 
> minutes, why call that a lift and not say that it is the real wind?  Too many 
> assumptions.  
> 
> They are not necessary;  why not just always sail on the optimal course to 
> get you to the waypoint fastest?  
> 
> If the wind changes while on the proposed course, the green line moves, and 
> you just keep on following it.  There is no such thing as lifts and headers 
> from some arbitrary time interval in which the wind direction is averaged.  
> Your goal should be simply to always follow the optimal tacks.  
> 
> That answer makes absolutely no sense to me.  Their optimal course is based 
> on polars as near as I can tell.  More importantly, they are arguing that 
> there is no advantage to tacking on a header.  Yes, there is a tactical 
> argument as to whether you would tack on every shift in a large keel boat 
> where tacks are slow relative to continuing straight, but in any significant 
> shift, my years of racing experience plus the math of the sailing angles 
> argues to me that Sailtimer's explanation is bogus.  Am I missing something?  
> Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
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