Thank you Richard (and Ted and Charles),

Much appreciated.

Rob

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 5:26 PM Richard Bush <[email protected]> wrote:

> Rob, thank you; that is a really good synopsis; I, for one, had no
> knowledge of the workings of he museum or the issue with the location;
> (nice people those City developers); please know that all of the effort and
> labor that you, and all of the Museum people have invested is a real
> contribution to sailing and to your fellow C&C owners; there is nothing
> remotely close to the Marine Museum in our part of the country...; I have
> purchased drawings for all of my boats from the Museum and received nothing
> but courteous and helpful service!
>
> Richard
> s.v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List <[email protected]>
> To: Stus-List <[email protected]>; JohnKelly Cuthbertson <
> [email protected]>
> Cc: Robert Mazza <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2021 12:27 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Perhaps now is a good time for a quick update on the Marine Museum of the
> Great Lakes at Kingston and the drawing collections. As JohnKelly and
> others have been discussing, the museum holds the drawing collections of
> George Cuthbertson, from the early drawings of his youth to 1973 when
> George handed over design responsibilities to Bob Ball and the C&C Design
> Group, of which I was a member from 1969 to 1985. (I have been a member of
> the Board of Directors of the Marine Museum since 2012). These drawings
> were graciously donated to the museum by George himself. George  also sat
> on the Board of Directors of the museum for a number of years. In the early
> 2000s Tim Jacket generously donated a large portion of the C&C drawings
> dating from 1973 to 1996 to the Marine Museum. These drawings had been
> acquired by Tim and Tartan Marine when Tartan purchased the assets of C&C
> Yachts in 1996. A couple of years after Tim's initial donation of drawings,
> I dropped in on Tim and Tartan to further explore their dusty mezzanine to
> look for more drawings, and found about 30 rolls that Tim was unable to
> deliver in his previous trip north. These, incidentally, included the 
> *Evergreen
> *and Mega drawings, among others. Although I catalogued these drawings
> prior to delivering them to the museum, subsequent events may not have
> allowed all of them to be entered into the computer system. I still have
> about 10 rolls of drawings that I picked up from Tartan, and about 15 rolls
> that I received from Rob MacLachlan at South Shore before he closed his
> operation. Unfortunately, time constraints and challenges at the Marine
> Museum have prevented me from cataloguing these drawings (as I think
> JohnKelly pointed out, cataloguing drawings is an exceedingly tedious
> undertaking!)  In addition to the Cuthbertson and C&C drawing collections,
> the museum also holds George Hinterhoeller's drawings, graciously donated
> to the museum by his son Richard Hinterhoeller. The other sailing
> collection the museum holds are blueprints, photos and drawings by the
> early 20th Century Canadian yacht designer TBF Benson. Of Course, the
> museum also holds about 40,000 ships plans, including the
> entire archives of the Montreal naval architecture firm German and Milne,
> as well as the archives of Canada Steamship Lines and all the shipyards
> with which they were associated. Needless to say, the total drawing
> collections of the museum are massive! So that's the background on the
> drawing collection.
>
> With regard to the Marine Museum itself, I'm sure everyone is aware that
> the museum was evicted from their waterfront property (that property
> included the historic dry-dock) in 2016 when the Canadian Federal
> government of the day sold our property to a private developer. That
> individual took advantage of a provision in our lease agreement with the
> government to insist we vacate the property in 120 days. The City of
> Kingston eventually provided storage space for the archives (including the
> drawings) and artifacts, as well as a small "store front" office location
> for the museum in Portsmouth Olympic Harbour, site of the 1976 Olympic
> sailing events. Our fortunes increased significantly last year when a
> generous benefactor donated enough money to the museum to allow us to buy
> our former property (including the dry-dock) back from the developer who
> had done nothing with the property over that three year period. Our plan is
> to repair the damage done by three years of vandalism and neglect, and at
> least move our offices back on the property this spring (Covid permitting).
> In the meantime the museum's sailing and C&C collections were further
> enhanced last year with the bequest of the legendary *Red Jacket * to the
> Marine Museum by the late Peter Milligan. In addition the Museum has agreed
> to accept a 1949 Greavette Int'l 14' Dinghy and a 1965 McCutheon built
> Kirby III Int'l Fourteen. Both are in immaculate condition. There is a long
> term plan to expand and enlarge the museum over the next 5 years, as well
> as the possibility of acquiring another Museum Ship to occupy the dry-dock.
> In the meantime, the museum is in the process of upgrading their website (
> https://www.marmuseum.ca/). Our goal is to provide a virtual (and
> eventually a physical) home for the Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame, (which
> is managed by the Marine Museum, working with Sail Canada), initiate a web
> based Register of Historic Canadian Sailing Craft, and make the
> Cuthbertson, C&C Yachts, and Hinterhoeller drawings more easily accessible
> online. However, these upgrades to the website are being undertaken with
> talented volunteer labour, so will take time. When I recently asked
> Michelle Clarabut, the Museum's Program and Education Manager (
> https://www.marmuseum.ca/about/our-staff), for an update on the website,
> Michelle replied:
>
> *What I can say at this point is that Mike is working hard on the Ship
> Lists section and the transfer of the remainder of the Museum's online
> database (main one) from Queen's (University) in-house as is. Once that is
> complete and Ship Lists are up and working, we'll be turning to the main
> database search functionality and aesthetic, the end game - to ultimately
> be able to provide visual thumbnails of drawings etc and the ability for
> the public to order copies. This should then help significantly with
> searches. This is going to be a long process when coupled with the fact
> that I also have other priorities, but I wanted to share that it is in
> progress. Mike has been extremely patient through it all and is working
> very hard to set up with a much improved search function which should
> resolve the issues and frustrations that I believe are expressed.  *
>
> So, things are moving in a very positive direction with the Marine
> Museum and the drawing collections, all-be-it, sometimes slower than we
> would like. However, I cannot overestimate the Marine Museum's commitment
> to the legacy of George Cuthbertson and C&C Yachts. The Museum organized
> the C&C Yachts Reunion and Conference in 2012, and mounted the New Age of
> Sail exhibit in 2015. The latter focussed on the huge growth in sailing and
> boatbuilding in Canada with the transition from wood to fiberglass in the
> 1960s and '70s. It was at the Gala Dinner celebrating the opening of that
> exhibit that the Honourary Co-Curators of this exhibit, George Cuthbertson
> and Bruce Kirby, were inducted into the Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame. A
> reworked version of this exhibit, that will obviously include Cuthbertson &
> Cassian, *Red Jacket*, and the creation of C&C Yachts, will be the first
> exhibit in the reworked museum galleries when we move back into our former
> site.
>
> I apologize for the length of this email, but hopefully it provides an
> update on the Cuthbertson and C&C Yachts Collections at the Marine Museum
> of the Great Lakes at Kingston.
>
> And I have to join the chorus of "thank yous" to Stu for this
> extraordinary online venue allowing communication between C&C owners and
> sailors.
>
> Rob Mazza
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 9:35 AM JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> I actually use 4 different databases
> Mine
> Excel Museum database 1
> Excel Museum database 2
> Queens university Database of Museum
>
> Sorry, that link was for the Queens one only
>
> I’ll see if I. An find an online link fir the museums internal database
> but it might be down at the moment since they are in transition
>
> I can send you a link to my personal database ( so incomplete :-) if you
> wish
>
> JK
>
>
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