Just my two cents on this thread. Yes, some photographers can be disruptive, just as some birders with only binoculars can. We all do need to provide feedback when we see that.
As a photographer and birder who has seen quite a bit of photographer bashing in this group, I would like to remind everyone of the significant good that a high quality wildlife photograph can do for the conservation of species. i.e., there may be a reason that a photographer is spending a lot of time getting the right shot. People don't really protect what they don't know. People do not resonate with a description in a book or even a painting in the same way that they do with a photograph. Preston Boulder, CO On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 3:30 AM Gary Bowen (Thornton) <[email protected]> wrote: > Well said, Robin! I fit in the photographer-birder group and shoot with a > 960mm (effective) lens on a 32.5 MP camera so I *don't* have to disturb > the subject or place myself in danger. > > Gary Bowen > Thornton > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 5:02:33 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote: > >> Respectfully, you left out a category. Photographers who love to >> photograph birds and do so ethically. I sincerely hope there are more of us >> than the ones that behave as you describe. >> >> I just want people to understand that there are photographers out there >> with big lenses that are not the “bad guys”. >> >> The reason I use a big lens is so that I can get a halfway decent photo >> without intruding on the bird, or going where I shouldn’t. I will add, good >> photographers know how to handle bad lighting. >> >> My husband and I chose NOT to look for the owl in question today >> precisely because so many pictures of it were shared on social media >> recently, suggesting way too many people were seeking it. >> >> Certainly, call out those who behave poorly. Just please don’t paint us >> all with the same brush. >> >> Happy birding😊. >> >> Robin Jasper >> >> Loveland >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mel >> Goff >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:55 PM >> *To:* DAVID A LEATHERMAN <[email protected]>; COBIRDS < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [cobirds] A situation (Boulder) >> >> >> >> In my experience, there are birders, birders who take photos of birds, >> and photographers. The latter are all about the photo. Backlit? No problem. >> I'll just crawl over this fence and go into the backyard so I can get the >> perfect shot. Bird sitting on inner branches? No problem. I'll just crawl >> up under the overhanging branches to get an open view. Private property? No >> problem. I'll only be in their yard for a few minutes. >> >> >> >> I have seen this everywhere. Cutting in front of shorter folks for a >> better angle. Driving on fragile habitat to get as close as possible. >> Admittedly, this should not be an indictment of all photographers, amateur >> or professional. But we all see enough of this that we must (and often do) >> speak up. >> >> >> >> Mel Goff >> >> Colorado Springs, El Paso county >> >> >> >> On 03/03/2022 11:42 AM DAVID A LEATHERMAN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> It has come to my attention that photographers, some of whom may be >> birders, are causing a problem west of Lyons in their lust for a >> pygmy-owl. At the risk of pissing some of you off, and causing even more >> people to seek this bird by publicizing it, I ask for restraint. The >> person who called me is not a birder but a guy I used to work with who >> knows I am into birds. He owns property bordering Route 7 w of town where >> he says 16 cars full of loud-talking people pointing big cameras, rutting >> the right-of-way that he maintains are back again today, the way they have >> been in numbers for days (weeks?). He is upset and I don't blame him. He >> says that whoever these people are, they don't really care about the bird, >> that they act very entitled, that this is all just about getting the photo >> and social. In short these sorts of situations give birders a black eye >> and they are becoming more commonplace. If anyone reading this knows about >> the situation first hand, has been there, has a comment or rebuttal I can >> pass on to my friend, I am all ears. My friend hasn't called the sheriff >> yet but is about to and it makes me sad to think "we" might have caused a >> reasonable person with deep sentiments for conservation and the natural >> world to be so upset. >> >> >> >> Dave Leatherman >> >> Fort Collins >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/cobirds?hl=en?hl=en >> * All posts should be signed with the poster's full name and city. >> Include bird species and location in the subject line when appropriate >> * Join Colorado Field Ornithologists https://cobirds.org/CFO/Membership/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Colorado Birds" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CY4PR0601MB3763B23362D6A73BC1ACFFF5C1049%40CY4PR0601MB3763.namprd06.prod.outlook.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CY4PR0601MB3763B23362D6A73BC1ACFFF5C1049%40CY4PR0601MB3763.namprd06.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/cobirds?hl=en?hl=en >> * All posts should be signed with the poster's full name and city. >> Include bird species and location in the subject line when appropriate >> * Join Colorado Field Ornithologists https://cobirds.org/CFO/Membership/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Colorado Birds" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/1296984272.1119387.1646337305409%40connect.xfinity.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/1296984272.1119387.1646337305409%40connect.xfinity.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Colorado Birds" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cobirds?hl=en?hl=en > * All posts should be signed with the poster's full name and city. 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