I'm not quite sure why we're still bringing up McCown, since "his" bird
already has a new moniker.

Interesting that you note "the Confederacy and the evils that it stood for".

Ten of the first twelve presidents owned slaves, and twelve presidents
altogether had slaves at some point. Yet, we have Washington, Jefferson,
Jackson and Grant on our money, stamps, etc.

We also still honor men who pushed the Native American Indians from their
land.

Evil Confederacy? How about evil United States of America?

If at one point, it was simply decided that birds named after humans was
stupid in general, and therefore would all be renamed, that would be fine.
Annoying, because it's a lot of name changes all at once, but fine.
However, this all started because it was discovered a few of these men were
not perfect, wonderful human beings. Then there had to be intense study
into "just how evil" they really were. People started taking sides. These
men were sort of on trial posthumously. Good or bad, cool dude or evil dude?

AOS finally decided, well let's just changed them all, so we don't have to
dig into each person's life. That's what I find to be ridiculous. They
should have just changed them all in the first place and we wouldn't be
having this discussion.

Susan Rosine
Brighton


On Mon, Nov 6, 2023, 9:20 AM [email protected] <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Whether the mischaracterization of John McCown in this message as a "brave
> hero who took the deadly risk to speaking against the Confederacy?" is
> deliberately provocative or just ignorant I can't begin to diagnose, but it
> is certainly "fact-free." McCown is indeed credited with calling the
> Confederacy a "damned stinking cotton oligarchy," but this was not some
> repudiation of the Confederacy and all it stood for. No, it was made in the
> heat of a political squabble he was involved in with Jefferson Davis and
> some of the other generals he had a disagreement with. The fact is that
> John McCown resigned his United States Army commission at the beginning of
> the war to take up arms against his country in defense of the Confederacy
> and the evils it stood for, and he remained a commissioned general in that
> force until the very end of the war.
>
> In any case, this example alone I think neatly illustrates *precisely* why
> Bird Names for Birds originally formed, and why it has resulted in this
> decision by the AOS. If this is the quality of the supposed "history
> lessons" we can expect to receive from an eponym, all diversity and
> inclusion questions aside, we should have consigned these to the dustbin
> decades ago.
>
> vr/
> Max Miller
> Lakewood, CO
> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 4:06:13 PM UTC-6 Robert Righter wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> What a fascinating discussion we are all having on Cobirds about the
>> implication of changing the names of birds.
>>
>>
>> Birds named after historical individuals offer important links to the
>> rich history,  good and bad, about  how our country was formed but also how
>> the history of birds evolved from hunting to the trill of bird watching, to
>> the impressive  transformation from birding into an important scientific
>> organization,  American Ornithological Union AOU.
>>
>>
>> Here are some brief examples of some:
>>
>>
>> Lewis’s Woodpecker, named after Meriwether Lewis, the co-leader of the
>> stupendously successful Lewis and Clark Expedition in the early 1800s which
>> explored all the new land west to the Pacific Ocean.
>>
>>
>> John Cassin (Cassin’s Finch, Cassin’s Kingbird and many more) from the
>> Philadelphia Academy of Natural Science was one of the foremost
>> ornithologist of the ninetieth century describing numerous new bird
>> species. He fought form the Union Army during the Civil War, captured by
>> the Confederate Army, and spent the rest of the war in the sadistic Libby
>> Prison, not many survived, he was lucky, but died shortly afterwards
>>
>>
>> John McCowen, (McCown’s Longspur),  now the Thick-billed Longspur. was a
>> Major General in the Confederate Army, He was a brilliant tactician with
>> just a few hundred men and one piece of artillery, he defeated an entire
>> division of Union cavalry. McCown became disillusioned with the purpose  of
>> Confederacy and argued against it’s goals and is is quoted as  saying about
>> the Confederacy, *“…a damned stinking cotton oligarchy.*
>>
>> Was McCown a villain or a brave hero who took the deadly risk to speaking
>> against the Confederacy?
>>
>>
>> Steller’s Jay named after Georg Steller a brilliant German scientist who
>> was asked by Peter the Great to explore Russia, which he did during the
>> winter by dog sled. Hooked up with Captain Bering and set sail to the east
>> and where they discovered Alaska, then spent years ship wrecked on  Bering
>> Island in the middle of the Aleutian Islands. He survived most others
>> didn’t.
>>
>>
>> This is just a taste of the intriguing history that underlies each of the
>> bird species named after historic naturalist and ornithologist. More
>> involved biographies of each  can be found in the *Colorado
>> Field Ornithologist* Journals or just tap into Google & Wikipedia
>>
>> Do you think this level of information enhance bird watching or not.
>>
>> Bob Righter
>> Denver CO
>>
>>
>>
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